# Pat Williams Racing p-car build. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [October 23, 2009, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pat-williams-racing-p-car-build/75282 "2009-10-23T23:23:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pat-williams-racing-p-car-build/75282/1 "2009-10-23T23:23:07Z")
> Now follow along on our latest large scale project as we build another racecar from the ground up for another one of our customers, Barry Bays, currently racing in PCA F Class - from the most unlikely candidate, a water logged 1976 911S Targa - for the GT3R class again utilizing a unique powerplant, a 3.2 based 2.61 twin turbo car started life as a 1976 901 chassis 911 targa 996 body pannel conversion. installed susp and brakes headers. custom built fiske wheels :eek: PAINT! dyno and ride along vid as well as a ton more pictures are avail here… [http://www.patwilliamsracing.com/2.61tt.htm](http://www.patwilliamsracing.com/2.61tt.htm) ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pat-williams-racing-p-car-build/75282/2 "2009-10-23T23:24:51Z")
I suppose the big question for me is… WHY? You can get 996’s for mid teens all day long clean title, lower if you want something that needs work. ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pat-williams-racing-p-car-build/75282/3 "2009-10-23T23:54:39Z")
well chances are he got the 76 real cheap since it was a water damaged car plus maybe it was cheaper to get the widebody pannels than actually convert a narrow body to wide. either way im not sure why they decided to go this route but damn the finish product is soooooooo naaiiiiiiccceee ![http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5300568,00.jpg](http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5300568,00.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pat-williams-racing-p-car-build/75282/4 "2009-10-24T00:16:52Z")
I’m curious as to why he didn’t go with the single hub gt3 wheels since this is a “race” car ---
**Author:** ![JDMSIR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jdmsir/32/7376_2.png) [@JDMSIR](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JDMSIR)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pat-williams-racing-p-car-build/75282/5 "2009-10-24T00:21:27Z")
That car is sick, and i love the color scheme. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pat-williams-racing-p-car-build/75282/6 "2009-10-24T00:32:25Z")
> [@Motocrossx23](#): > > I’m curious as to why he didn’t go with the single hub gt3 wheels since this is a “race” car lol, because the uprights and hubs will run you $7k+ not to mention an additional $4k+ per set of wheels. ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 4:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pat-williams-racing-p-car-build/75282/7 "2009-10-24T04:41:35Z")
Well is this a budget build? Lol. I’m not arguing a point, just saying after shelling out custom wheels and the rest of the stuff done to the car you’d think he’d have gone with that route instead. Either way the car looks absolutely amazing, the work done looks top notch ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pat-williams-racing-p-car-build/75282/8 "2009-10-24T04:58:54Z")
So you’re saying a minimum additional expense of $11k is a drop in the bucket? The bodywork was only a couple grand, the only extremely expensive part there is the motor. The goal for a track car is to have parts that are a solid balance between cost and life. Center locks wear out, cost a shit ton, and you need another $2k in tools just to use them. Pass. ---
**Author:** ![Willybeen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/willybeen/32/7351_2.png) [@Willybeen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Willybeen)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pat-williams-racing-p-car-build/75282/9 "2009-10-24T06:58:21Z")
who’s pat williams? nice car. ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 7:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pat-williams-racing-p-car-build/75282/10 "2009-10-24T07:54:44Z")
Like I said I’m not arguing a point, just was curious as to why he didn’t, my knowledge of center hub wheels is limited at best so I had no idea as to whether or not it wouldve been cost effective and/or better performing ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pat-williams-racing-p-car-build/75282/11 "2009-10-24T19:08:09Z")
seems silly to me, but i guess if you have massive amounts of time, unlimited resourced, lots of money and are just sorta bored then it makes good sense to do this rather than to start with something much closer to the finished product. ---
**Author:** ![TORQDSS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/torqdss/32/5125_2.png) [@TORQDSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TORQDSS)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pat-williams-racing-p-car-build/75282/12 "2009-10-24T19:44:37Z")
i think Bing said it best… bored rich guy ---
**Author:** ![reliant\_turbo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/reliant_turbo/32/7189_2.png) [@reliant\_turbo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/reliant_turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pat-williams-racing-p-car-build/75282/13 "2009-10-25T17:43:40Z")
i wonder if weight has anything to do with it. im sure a 70’s chassis is going to be much lighter than a 90’s/2000’s and they added a cage to take care of rigidity. bottom line, people will do what they want to do regardless of what folks on the internet think they should do. Brian ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pat-williams-racing-p-car-build/75282/14 "2009-10-26T09:54:24Z")
my gut instinct as to why start with that was that it must be something to do with final weight also. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pat-williams-racing-p-car-build/75282/15 "2009-10-26T10:03:42Z")
I am thinking he could kick some serious ass in vintage racing. Not sure those mods are legal according to vintage racing rules. lol ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pat-williams-racing-p-car-build/75282/16 "2009-10-26T17:01:37Z")
why didn’t he plate that shit in platinum?