# Pens @ PNC Park

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**Created:** [June 14, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pens-pnc-park/202989 "2009-06-14T21:13:47Z")\
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**Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pens-pnc-park/202989/45 "2009-06-25T09:33:57Z")

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> [@Sale feedback?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sale-feedback/24732/18):
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> No, it really isn’t.  
> The Pirates insisted that they would be competitve if they got a new venue. Well, they got it. STill waiting for that competitive team we were promised.
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> Some excerpts from a posting on [sportscribe.net](http://sportscribe.net). I did not fact check the numbers, but found them believable. I think what this guy is writing reflects the feelings of a lot of the people in Pittsburgh  
> [http://sportsscribes.net/index.php?option=com\_content&view=article&id=280:do-the-pirates-still-belong-in-pittsburgh&catid=39:mlb-news&Itemid=101](http://sportsscribes.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=280:do-the-pirates-still-belong-in-pittsburgh&catid=39:mlb-news&Itemid=101)
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a new venue implies people fill the place!!! thats the catch 22… people want them to be good but wont go till they are…they cant make money and get good till people come. cleveland go jacobs field and it was sold out for the first 8 or 9 years!

the pirates may have made more profit but the overall pictures doesnt allow them to take the same risks that boston and new york can. if the pirates spent every penny on the team they’d be somewhere around the 65 mill mark…thats still not even half of some teams so how would that be a smart business move? you all do know sports is a business, right? the pirates know they cant get sustained fan support no matter what they do.

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