# PFC Hatch @ Import Tuner Mayhem 09 **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [August 11, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pfc-hatch-import-tuner-mayhem-09/246058 "2009-08-11T18:08:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pfc-hatch-import-tuner-mayhem-09/246058/61 "2009-08-18T21:29:25Z")
> [@How many hours do you work/week?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/how-many-hours-do-you-work-week/21830/12): > > keep in mind this is a stock honda GSR motor…10.5:1 compression. higher compression yeilds more power per psi…lower boost with higher timing is our prefered method of making power…try it some time. it made 387 on 15lbs on a conservative tune when we ran our first 10.9 at KCIR. we were trying to keep the 167k mile motor together at the time. then we figured it was time to go all out on the stock motor because our original goal was to just run a 10. so we got very aggressive with the tune thinking we would either run iots best time or blow up and we had a built motor waiting for it. we re dynoed and made 416 on the same boost and the motor just wouldn’t give up so we kept working on the setup around it to go faster. it went the fastest when we finally just kept it in 4th through the traps which caused it to have to spin to around 9100rpm on the stock head. we went from trapping 129-133 in 5th to trapping 138 in 4th. saved a lot of time instead of shifting to 5th. and as i said, the car did not weigh 2100lbs during the record runs. it weighed 2425 because the weight limit for the class was 2400lbs. read the posts guys. would you guys like to see the logs? seriously i dont mind for the other honda guys that might want to see them. > > lol if we had a big name behind us like CFT or T1 or people like that you guys would not question it, but because we are just a couple of guys from Colorado the doubt is there. i assure you, you will see us more and more with this car, we know what we are doing and we always have video to back up our accomplishments. ASK how its done dont doubt that we did it. the video shows we did it and ill gladly show you datalogs to go with it 🙂 thanks for watching guys! 🙂 Welcome to the forum! We’re trying to get a lot more people who know what they’re talking about on here, so thank you lol. ---
**Author:** ![GermanPSI](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/germanpsi/32/6353_2.png) [@GermanPSI](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GermanPSI)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pfc-hatch-import-tuner-mayhem-09/246058/62 "2009-08-18T21:34:31Z")
> [@which wine to get?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/which-wine-to-get/21822/25): > > over 25 deg of timing, we made the power we needed to run those times. Holy shit thats some risky timing! When tuning my car we didnt go past 16 deg! ---
**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pfc-hatch-import-tuner-mayhem-09/246058/63 "2009-08-18T21:39:13Z")
> [@Funny joke I just got.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/funny-joke-i-just-got/21832/12): > > Holy shit thats some risky timing! When tuning my car we didnt go past 16 deg! They’re on E85, seems doable. ---
**Author:** ![HAVideos](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/havideos/32/6545_2.png) [@HAVideos](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HAVideos)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pfc-hatch-import-tuner-mayhem-09/246058/64 "2009-08-19T00:50:55Z")
> [@Funny joke I just got.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/funny-joke-i-just-got/21832/12): > > Holy shit thats some risky timing! When tuning my car we didnt go past 16 deg! why would it be risky. you gotta understand this isn’t just some random number we throw at it and hope it likes it, that number is arrived at from being on the dyno and adding timing till the car tells us to stop. 16 might be all you can run on yours, im not sure. what motor/turbo/boost/injector/fuel/tuning software are you using? it really just depends on the setup. timing is the power maker, but it can be dangerous if you don’t read what the car is doing correctly. it will tell you how much timing is too much timing for the amount of boost. and more boost will not always give you more power, especially with a smaller turbo. that’s what we have found anyways. you may gain 10 hp from going from 20lbs to 25lbs on a small frame turbo but you might be able to gain much more going from 20 to 17 and adding a bunch of timing. depends on the setup and fuel though…read the plugs if you don’t have a dyno or just keep throwing timing at it on the dyno until it starts losing power, then back off to the last degree you gained power on…maybe one more to be safe. might seem weird to most people but we have tons of E85 stations out here in CO so most of us use it instead of expensive race gas… cant beat a fuel that allows that kind of timing and power for only$1.90-$2.10 a gallon 🙂 there is just no reason for us to run fuels like VP and C16 when we can make more than enough power on a MUCH cheaper fuel. you really can make the same numbers with ethanol as C16… im pretty sure our cars like alcohol just as much as we do 😉 > [@Funny joke I just got.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/funny-joke-i-just-got/21832/11): > > Welcome to the forum! > We’re trying to get a lot more people who know what they’re talking about on here, so thank you lol. Thanks! hey no problem, im sure we could learn from some people on here too. we dont know everything, that’s for sure… im constantly trying to keep track of what everyone else is doing to be faster and finding ways to apply it to our own cars. so i have no problem sharing what worked for us. but btw, why did this thread end up in the trash bin if you guys liked the conversation coming from it lol? i thought it got deleted at first lol ---
**Author:** ![arodracing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7cd45c/32.png) [@arodracing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/arodracing)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pfc-hatch-import-tuner-mayhem-09/246058/65 "2009-08-19T07:14:15Z")
> [@which wine to get?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/which-wine-to-get/21822/25): > > if you have hondata i can send you the datalog…yes it does. we get this a lot. dont be mad. how about you be curious about how we did it. boost doesnt make as much power as timing does. with a 60-1 at its peak efficiency and over 25 deg of timing, we made the power we needed to run those times. which was only 416hp uncorrected on a dynojet…we have nohing to hide, i tuned the car, ill send you my tune and datalogs of the 50+ 10 sec passes. you wont see a single lb over 15psi 🙂 id be asking questions if i were you guys not hating…thats how everyone pregresses and goes faster. willful ignorance gets ya nowhere 😕 i missed where you said you were using e85 fuel. ---
**Author:** ![GermanPSI](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/germanpsi/32/6353_2.png) [@GermanPSI](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GermanPSI)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pfc-hatch-import-tuner-mayhem-09/246058/66 "2009-08-19T07:15:38Z")
> [@WTB: T mobile phone](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-t-mobile-phone/21829/3): > > i missed where you said you were using e85 fuel. As did I [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pfc-hatch-import-tuner-mayhem-09/246058.md?page=3)