# pieces in falling into place to attack iran? interesting
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**Created:** [March 24, 2008, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544 "2008-03-24T10:56:06Z")
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### Author:  [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2008, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/21 "2008-03-24T18:19:47Z")
once again that was not a declaration of war. nowhere did it say it was a declaration of war. and once again he doesnt need congress approval to put troops in iran, he can and will say fuck congress like he has been throughout his presidency
> [@JayS](#):
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> Operation Enduring Freedom (aka, the war in Afghanistan) was authorized by Congress.
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> [http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:HJ00064:](http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:HJ00064:)
> [http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:S.J.RES.23:](http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:S.J.RES.23:)
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> Get your facts straight.
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> And for Fry, pop quiz. Who was the sponsor for S.J. Res 23?
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> Sen. Thomas A. Daschle, **Democrat** -S.D
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> But yeah. Just blindly vote Democrat, don’t look at what they stand for and how they line up with your ideals.
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> At least I can sit and talk with JoesTypeS and respect his opinion because he believes in what Obama has to say. He wants universal health care and thinks Obama’s plan for the economy and the war are good ones. I don’t agree with him, but at least he’s basing his vote on knowing the issues and not saying, “I’m voting Democrat because they’re not Bush”. Disagreement on how to solve an issue when you’ve both studied it is a whole lot better than disagreement because one side simply chooses to be ignorant of it and be proud of that ignorance.
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### Author:  [@misteroman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/misteroman)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2008, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/22 "2008-03-24T18:23:26Z")
The only reason they are looking /wanting to is the same as Iraq.Iran is threatening to change over to Euros for Oil.
Look it up
D
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### Author:  [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2008, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/23 "2008-03-24T18:26:18Z")
> [@JayS](#):
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> Operation Enduring Freedom (aka, the war in Afghanistan) was authorized by Congress.
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> [http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:HJ00064:](http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:HJ00064:)
> [http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:S.J.RES.23:](http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:S.J.RES.23:)
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> Get your facts straight.
>
> And for Fry, pop quiz. Who was the sponsor for S.J. Res 23?
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> Sen. Thomas A. Daschle, **Democrat** -S.D
>
> But yeah. Just blindly vote Democrat, don’t look at what they stand for and how they line up with your ideals.
>
> At least I can sit and talk with JoesTypeS and respect his opinion because he believes in what Obama has to say. He wants universal health care and thinks Obama’s plan for the economy and the war are good ones. I don’t agree with him, but at least he’s basing his vote on knowing the issues and not saying, “I’m voting Democrat because they’re not Bush”. Disagreement on how to solve an issue when you’ve both studied it is a whole lot better than disagreement because one side simply chooses to be ignorant of it and be proud of that ignorance.
Well you see, part of it is that I don’t really believe much of anything that politicians say. Not that any of them have ever gone back on something they said during their campaign after they got elected.
It’s not that I’m proud of ignorance. It’s more that I don’t believe that what they say that they personally believe in will translate in into action in the White House. Do you really think this country will ever see universal health care? I don’t. Not if McCain’s elected. Not if Obama’s elected. Not if Hillary’s elected. The President’s not a dictator. In a way it makes more sense to me to vote for the party than the party’s point man.
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### Author:  [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2008, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/24 "2008-03-24T18:30:10Z")
> **[Declaration of war by the United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States)**
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> A declaration of war is a formal declaration issued by a national government indicating that a state of war exists between that nation and another. The document Declarations of War and Authorizations for the Use of Military Force: Historical Background and Legal Implications gives an extensive listing and summary of statutes which are automatically engaged upon the US declaring war. For the United States, Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution says "Congress shall have power to ... declar...
list of formal declared wars and then a list of “conflicts” the last formal declared war by the U.S. was world war II
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2008, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/25 "2008-03-24T19:21:47Z")
> [@97\_B18b1](#):
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> [Declaration of war by the United States - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States)
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> list of formal declared wars and then a list of “conflicts” the last formal declared war by the U.S. was world war II
No shit sherlock, but you tried to say Congress didn’t authorize the use of force in Afghanistan.
Really, there needs to be some sort of quiz before we allow people to graduate from Honda Fan Boy posting to the politics section.
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2008, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/26 "2008-03-24T19:23:48Z")
> [@Fry](#):
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> Well you see, part of it is that I don’t really believe much of anything that politicians say. Not that any of them have ever gone back on something they said during their campaign after they got elected.
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> It’s not that I’m proud of ignorance. It’s more that I don’t believe that what they say that they personally believe in will translate in into action in the White House. Do you really think this country will ever see universal health care? I don’t. Not if McCain’s elected. Not if Obama’s elected. Not if Hillary’s elected. The President’s not a dictator. In a way it makes more sense to me to vote for the party than the party’s point man.
If you honestly believe that you probably shouldn’t be voting at all. Presidents may not be dictators but they have great control over the direction the country heads. If Hillary/Obama are elected will we see 100% universal health care? Probably not. But they will royally fuck up the budget trying. You’re a smart guy, please take some of the time you waste thinking up your useless wity comments for 95% of the serious threads on here and take some time to really read about the issues before the election. If you still want to vote “not repubican” fine, at least you’ll be making an educated decision.
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### Author:  [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2008, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/27 "2008-03-24T19:25:19Z")
> [@JayS](#):
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> No shit sherlock, but you tried to say Congress didn’t authorize the use of force in Afghanistan.
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> Really, there needs to be some sort of quiz before we allow people to graduate from Honda Fan Boy posting to the politics section.
lol, “you cant just jump on the ring cuz you think you can box!”
“that guy knows i can box!”
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### Author:  [@The\_Russian](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/The_Russian)
#### Post date: [March 24, 2008, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/28 "2008-03-24T19:25:22Z")
Jays on a rampage.
But I wholeheartedly agree with everything he says in this thread
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### Author:  [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2008, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/29 "2008-03-25T01:38:38Z")
> [@RuBiCaNT](#):
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> Uhh, pretty sure congress would NOT OK a war with Iran regardless of how much the US navy wants to rattle it’s sabre.
it all started with that that quote and me telling him that we dont need to declare WAR…WAR!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!!! I said congress didnt authorize WAR not “conflict” im not saying they never authorized him nething at all. And ONCE AGAIN, he is allowed to put troops wherver he wants, you cannot argue that point, holy shit
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### Author:  [@Karter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Karter)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2008, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/30 "2008-03-25T02:00:52Z")
There’s always Canada.
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### Author:  [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/31 "2008-03-25T03:49:32Z")
I’d have to say in regards to politicians I don’t believe a word anyone running for the presidential position says. They are selling themselves. Who ever is a better sales person to the stupid masses generally wins. I do believe in the party though. Generally speaking they will follow their parties “rules” because they have to. They are forever indebted to their party for allowing them the chance to become the president. Therefor they will follow their party’s guide lines in order to appease them.
All in all for this election I hate the democratic choices. They act like they are going to change the world. Even if the president tried to make huge changes his hands would be tied. It would never happen. There are far too many old school guys still in office that would never allow these changes. Hell if the president tried hard enough they might even kill him. Its not about the people, its about the people who have money. Money wins, thats a fact. I have provided you with this chart to prove it.
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### Author:  [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2008, 3:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/32 "2008-03-25T03:58:10Z")
hahah thats all the proff i need. The original rockefellar on the federal reserve board said “give me control of a nations currency and i care not who makes its laws”. money is the real root of all evil.
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### Author:  [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2008, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/33 "2008-03-25T05:17:19Z")
Oh hey guys whats going on? I was just looking for my tin foil hat(to keep them out ya know) but it seems i have lost it. Would one of you be willing to send me a new one? KKTHANXTTYL!!!
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2008, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/34 "2008-03-25T05:25:02Z")
:lol: @ I have a chart to prove it. Nice.
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### Author:  [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2008, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/35 "2008-03-25T05:26:06Z")
> [@misteroman$$$](#):
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> The only reason they are looking /wanting to is the same as Iraq.Iran is threatening to change over to Euros for Oil.
> Look it up
> D
they already did last year.
i’ve discussed this already.
declarations of war, politicians sponsoring this and that, weapons to hamas… all meaningless.
it all begins and ends with the dollar.
Obama is awesome… and so he will be killed or marginalized.
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### Author:  [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2008, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/36 "2008-03-25T05:26:18Z")
> [@j\_espo1"](#):
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> An American nuclear submarine has crossed the Suez Canal to join the US fleet stationed in the Persian Gulf, Egyptian sources say.
America has non-nuclear subs?
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2008, 5:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/37 "2008-03-25T05:40:05Z")
It’s funny, first people try to claim that Joint Resolution 23 gave Bush the power to send troops anywhere he wants, including Iran or Iraq. Then they claim he fabricated all this evidence to go to war with Iraq so he could get Congressional approval. If JR 23, which was authorized just after 9/11, gave him power to invade anyone he wants why would he go through all the effort to fabricate evidence against Iraq?
As with most conspiracies it only works if you hand pick your “evidence” and ignore the mountains of evidence that is to the contrary of your theory.
This is just more sabre rattling in response to Iran playing chicken with one of our destroyers last month.
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### Author:  [@d3x](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d3x)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2008, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/38 "2008-03-25T05:48:04Z")
> [@bobbyg1243](#):
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> i wouldnt be suprised to see bush stir some more shit up before he leaves the white house, just to get back at the country which made a mockery of him while he was in office.
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> i really hope we dont go to war with iran, our economy is in the shitter already and i dont know how much the troops can take before they start to turn on their own government.
its highly unlikely bush will do anything that could be considered controversial. his cohorts will have him on a leash in hopes of getting another republican elected.
contrary to popular belief the economy has done quite well since 9/11 with bush in office. and even though there are signs of a pending recession, the economy currently is not in the shitter by any means.
one of the wonders of a voluntary military is that you dont have to be a soldier if you dont support the governments decisions. they wont “turn” on the government, rather they just wont re-enlist. and even though you dont believe iran is a threat, im betting the majority of soldiers would be more than happy to put their life on the line in iran, just like they were in iraq, because they believe in america. the decisions of the administration have nothing to do with it.
these are pessimistic views from the bush mongering crew. its ok to disagree with bush and what he has done. but atleast see things how they are rather than how you think things have become based on bush’s decisions.
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### Author:  [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2008, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/39 "2008-03-25T06:04:25Z")
> [@bobbyg1243](#):
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> i wouldnt be suprised to see bush stir some more shit up before he leaves the white house, just to get back at the country which made a mockery of him while he was in office.
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> i really hope we dont go to war with iran, our economy is in the shitter already and i dont know how much the troops can take before they start to turn on their own government.
Nice post.
I will respond with this; Bush isn’t going anywhere, if he stirs up enough shit he will be staying in the Whitehouse.
(Where the hell is that tinfoil hat smiley we supposed to get?)
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### Author:  [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2008, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pieces-in-falling-into-place-to-attack-iran-interesting/45544/40 "2008-03-25T06:50:52Z")
> [@JayS](#):
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> If you honestly believe that you probably shouldn’t be voting at all. Presidents may not be dictators but they have great control over the direction the country heads. If Hillary/Obama are elected will we see 100% universal health care? Probably not. But they will royally fuck up the budget trying. You’re a smart guy, please take some of the time you waste thinking up your useless wity comments for 95% of the serious threads on here and take some time to really read about the issues before the election. If you still want to vote “not repubican” fine, at least you’ll be making an educated decision.
Oh come on. Sometimes I post pics.
Anyhow, I agree that I should be more educated. What would you suggest I read?
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