# Pittspeed Fitness & Nutrition thread update: **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [March 2, 2006, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-fitness-nutrition-thread-update/180728 "2006-03-02T22:40:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 519
**Author:** ![TwoFortySX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/twofortysx/32/6014_2.png) [@TwoFortySX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TwoFortySX)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2006, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-fitness-nutrition-thread-update/180728/519 "2006-12-17T08:08:39Z")
> [@3/25/07 crusie?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3-25-07-crusie/26255/89): > > I would drop the upright rows…they do more wrong than good. As for the NO products from what I have read all they are good for is a good pump and will not do anything more than that. So Creatine and dextrose is way cheaper and better. If you buy bulk L-arginine powder, or buy the L-arginine/ L-ornithine capsule it will do the same thing for 1/4th the price…but to me a little pump after my workout isn’t too important. There is an article on [testosteronenation.com](http://testosteronenation.com) about it that is pretty interesting. > > [http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=556124](http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=556124) > [http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=556939](http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=556939) i have always done upright rows as part of my routines. They never have had a negative effect on my shoulders. I generally keep the weight slightly low when i perform them. I still like to power clean every now and then so the upright rows help keep my shoulders flexible. Great articles but those articles are the type of thing im talking about. I have read just as compelling articles about the value of NO2. However wether im right or wrong in the end, i dont think paying 40 dollars for the placebo effect is that bad. If taking something worthless increases my mental capacity to increase the work i can do then its worth it. Jimmy --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-fitness-nutrition-thread-update/180728)._