# Pittspeed Politics - v. GOP/DEM/Primaries/Ron Paul **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [January 1, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484 "2008-01-01T20:17:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2008, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/101 "2008-01-11T16:18:47Z")
> [@fs: motor](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-motor/33879/2): > > are u implying by my statement i was sayin clinton was bad? if anything that was a compliment. > > i know the president doesnt set gas prices, tell that to the people who think george bush does. the president does have an effect on where and how we get get our oil thou. > > i definetly dont want socialized medicine. the quality would suffer. Business however are beating the system by employing two people to work a job part time instead of having a full time person and paying them benifits. if businesses have to ante-up for all their employees this would relieve healthcare costs on the people out their bustin their balls everyday, not sitting home collecting a check. i believe a president and congress could help greatly with that. > > on paper , sure i want lower taxes, i didnt say i wanted lower taxes thou. I said i’m sick of paying for illegal immagrants. I dont have a problem with the taxes i am paying that go towards the benifit of citizens of this country. whether that be roads, police, etc… in the same breath i’m tired of the burdeen of ghetto baby machines and trailer park heroin addicts. I knew you were saying he was a good president, I was agreeing to a point, but showing how he was also quite bad and dishonest at the same time, much different from Dr. Paul. We agree on socialized medicine being bad, but I don’t see why any company pays for any part of health insurance, it’s a crock. Do they pay my home-owners/renters insurance? Should my employer should pay my auto insurance too? That’s why salaries are being driven down, the cost of doing business keeps going up. If we reduced entitlement programs to prevent the current abuses and lowered taxes accordingly we would all be better off. ---
**Author:** ![Quik83Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/quik83z/32/6042_2.png) [@Quik83Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quik83Z)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2008, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/102 "2008-01-11T17:11:46Z")
Time for my .02… 1. Almost everything Ron Paul stands for I agree with. (~~ foreign policy) 2. That said, even if elected, he would only be President, not a dictator. He would still have to deal with the MORONS we have in congress and therefore would be limited in what he could accomplish. 3. He will probably NOT get the Republican nomination. 4. If the grass-roots support is great enough, (and I think it probably will be) he could run as a third-party candidate. 5. Since he is running on the same conservative principles as the Republican candidate IS SUPPOSED TO BE, it will split the conservative vote and elect the Democratic candidate. 6. This would be very, very bad for our country no matter which socialist, communist, piece of shit the Democrats nominate. So, to sum it all up, Ron Paul would absolutely make the best possible President in 08, but in attempting to do so, he will probably destroy our country. Kind of ironic, no? ---
**Author:** ![Neosmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bcef8e/32.png) [@Neosmurf](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Neosmurf)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2008, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/103 "2008-01-11T17:23:08Z")
All but how many Americans really want to elect a black or a female to office? ---
**Author:** ![Pewter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pewter/32/5936_2.png) [@Pewter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pewter)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2008, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/104 "2008-01-11T17:41:10Z")
ron paul did great this week ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2008, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/105 "2008-01-11T17:44:39Z")
> [@On another topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/34321/8): > > 1. Since he is running on the same conservative principles as the Republican candidate IS SUPPOSED TO BE, it will split the conservative vote and elect the Democratic candidate. > 2. This would be very, very bad for our country no matter which socialist, communist, piece of shit the Democrats nominate. > > So, to sum it all up, Ron Paul would absolutely make the best possible President in 08, but in attempting to do so, he will probably destroy our country. > > Kind of ironic, no? I completely disagree. Dr. Paul has expressed no interest in a 3rd party candidacy. Should he pursue one, he is against the war, the patriot act and the National ID card, these principles appeal to many “democrats” or “liberals.” Both parties have abandoned their roots, not just the Republicans. Here’s where we almost agree: If the best candidate actually does destroy the country by running for office, I don’t think he is the source of the problem. In fact, if this country is that close to the brink, anything that brings about reform sooner, would be a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Swarzkopf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@Swarzkopf](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Swarzkopf)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2008, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/106 "2008-01-11T19:57:34Z")
My goal with posting the CNN article was to stir up some good discussion. Looks like I’ve been sucessful. > I completely disagree. Dr. Paul has expressed no interest in a 3rd party candidacy. Should he pursue one, he is against the war, the patriot act and the National ID card, these principles appeal to many “democrats” or “liberals.” Both parties have abandoned their roots, not just the Republicans. Good response. Libertarianism is the absolute center of the political spectrum, the true middle point- and as such it attracts folks from both sides. Do I agree with all things “Libertarian”? No, not even close; to a certain extent I am a fan of safety nets for we the unorganized, stupid mob and I do happen to like things like public roads, social security, unemployment checks, a strong standing military, public education available for all citizen’s children, ect. That said, Ron’s campaign sure appeals to me strongly on an emotional level. The thought of rolling back all of the years of infringement on our personal freedom…wow. Either way, I’ll vote for whoever the Republicans run this time (unless it’s Romney. In which case, I don’t yet know what I’ll do). ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/107 "2008-01-11T20:18:51Z")
> [@Shreks boosted GSR Build](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shreks-boosted-gsr-build/32325/119): > > All but how many Americans really want to elect a black or a female to office? not as many as the media would like you to think. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/108 "2008-01-12T06:43:20Z")
> [@New Pics of my STI w/ FMIC on page 4](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pics-of-my-sti-w-fmic-on-page-4/34322/11): > > I completely disagree. Dr. Paul has expressed no interest in a 3rd party candidacy. Should he pursue one, he is against the war, the patriot act and the National ID card, these principles appeal to many “democrats” or “liberals.” Both parties have abandoned their roots, not just the Republicans. he has to say that now. He knows as well as you and I that he most likely won’t get the GOP nomination, and that his only real viable shot at the presidency is as an Independent/Libertarian candidate. > [@Random Picture Thread](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/random-picture-thread/34324/7): > > My goal with posting the CNN article was to stir up some good discussion. Looks like I’ve been sucessful. > > Good response. Libertarianism is the absolute center of the political spectrum, the true middle point- and as such it attracts folks from both sides. > > Do I agree with all things “Libertarian”? No, not even close; to a certain extent I am a fan of safety nets for we the unorganized, stupid mob and I do happen to like things like public roads, social security, unemployment checks, a strong standing military, public education available for all citizen’s children, ect. That said, Ron’s campaign sure appeals to me strongly on an emotional level. The thought of rolling back all of the years of infringement on our personal freedom…wow. > > Either way, I’ll vote for whoever the Republicans run this time (unless it’s Romney. In which case, I don’t yet know what I’ll do). Unemployment is a privately funded thing. Paul would not want to do away with it (at least I would believe). He will still fund public roads, a strong standing military, and public education. So where are you finding his faults again? ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/109 "2008-01-12T07:01:50Z")
> [@Fisher-Price - lead paint - China](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fisher-price-lead-paint-china/33815/26): > > Unemployment is a privately funded thing. So is mandatory Employer provided medical insurance, and employer 401k matching. That doesn’t mean it’s any less of a load on employers. Employers have to match SS contributions too. It’s all a bunch of nanny-state nonsense. The libertarian stance is to get government out of the economy. Federally mandated programs that force the private sector to set aside money is no better than a tax, just slightly more efficient because the gov doesn’t get their filthy hands on it. > [@Fisher-Price - lead paint - China](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fisher-price-lead-paint-china/33815/26): > > He will still fund public roads, a strong standing military, and public education. Dr. Paul wants to eliminate the Department of Education. So in a sense “he,” at the federal level, wants to have nothing to do with education funding. In fact, the government has no authorized role in education in the Constitution, which he holds as his stance. Ron Paul 0wn3d the ridiculous planted Fox question about electability. [http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6191427671333703841&q=ron+paul+response+electability&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0](http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6191427671333703841&q=ron+paul+response+electability&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0) ---
**Author:** ![Swarzkopf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@Swarzkopf](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Swarzkopf)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/110 "2008-01-12T07:25:25Z")
> [@beat90tsi](#): > > So is mandatory Employer provided medical insurance, and employer 401k matching. That doesn’t mean it’s any less of a load on employers. > > Employers have to match SS contributions too. It’s all a bunch of nanny-state nonsense. > > The libertarian stance is to get government out of the economy. The Libertarian point of view, in a nutshell. ---
**Author:** ![TavisB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tavisb/32/3339_2.png) [@TavisB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TavisB)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/111 "2008-01-12T07:51:59Z")
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**Author:** ![Quik83Z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/quik83z/32/6042_2.png) [@Quik83Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quik83Z)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/112 "2008-01-12T08:19:57Z")
> [@On another topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/34321/13): > > he has to say that now. He knows as well as you and I that he most likely won’t get the GOP nomination, and that his only real viable shot at the presidency is as an Independent/Libertarian candidate. Which would, as I have stated MANY times before, give the presidency to the Democratic nominee and completely destroy this country. > [@On another topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/34321/13): > > I completely disagree. Dr. Paul has expressed no interest in a 3rd party candidacy. Should he pursue one, he is against the war, the patriot act and the National ID card, these principles appeal to many “democrats” or “liberals.” Both parties have abandoned their roots, not just the Republicans. Ron Paul is not promising any free government handouts like Hilliary and Obama, so he will NOT sway any Democratic votes. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/113 "2008-01-12T08:46:34Z")
> [@New Pics of my STI w/ FMIC on page 4](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/new-pics-of-my-sti-w-fmic-on-page-4/34322/35): > > Dr. Paul wants to eliminate the Department of Education. So in a sense “he,” at the federal level, wants to have nothing to do with education funding. In fact, the government has no authorized role in education in the Constitution, which he holds as his stance. I understand, and i mistyped that. Schools will still be funded, just on a state level… as it should be. > [@Quik83Z"](#): > > Which would, as I have stated MANY times before, give the presidency to the Democratic nominee and completly destroy this country. > Ron Paul is the ONLY thing that could save this country from whatever Democrat wins the nomination. I mean have you seen the Republican candidates? lolz > > Ron Paul is not promising any free government handouts like Hilliary and Obama, so he will NOT sway any Democratic votes. You’d be surprised how many Dem’s Ron Paul will sway. He is staunchly anti-war, all about civil liberties, etc. His stance makes sense. He will sway many Dems, especially ones that just cant bring themselves to vote for a black man or a woman. ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/114 "2008-01-12T14:16:42Z")
> [@Help me pick out a new truck..Updated 9/13 with new truck piczs](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/help-me-pick-out-a-new-truck-updated-9-13-with-new-truck-piczs/34289/41): > > You’d be surprised how many Dem’s Ron Paul will sway. He is staunchly anti-war, all about civil liberties, etc. His stance makes sense. He will sway many Dems, especially ones that just cant bring themselves to vote for a black man or a woman. What he said… Many Democrats are concerned with more than just government handouts. I have talked to many “anti-Republican” people who are pro-Ron Paul. I will agree that he has a larger base on the R side than on the D side, I mean he is a true Republican. Both major parties are so far gone now that he is able to win people over from all parties and all socioeconomic classes, because of the message. ---
**Author:** ![Logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/logik/32/5941_2.png) [@Logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Logik)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/115 "2008-01-13T17:29:22Z")
[http://blogronpaul.com/](http://blogronpaul.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Turbo\_Silverado](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbo_silverado/32/5990_2.png) [@Turbo\_Silverado](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Turbo_Silverado)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/116 "2008-01-13T17:55:08Z")
> [@R1 \> Blown Fbody](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r1-blown-fbody/33568/81): > > Since when did this site become [Pittrandomfuckingstoriesthatnoonewillgive2fucksabout.com](http://Pittrandomfuckingstoriesthatnoonewillgive2fucksabout.com)? ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2008, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/117 "2008-01-14T08:37:09Z")
in order of my lack of reluctance to vote for them: john edwards dennis kucinich bill richardson barack obama hillary clinton mitt romney john mccain rudy giuliani satan hitler’s corpse ron paul fred thompson mike huckabee ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2008, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/118 "2008-01-14T08:39:31Z")
> [@On another topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/34321/20): > > in order of my lack of reluctance to vote for them: > > john edwards > dennis kucinich > bill richardson > barack obama > hillary clinton > mitt romney > john mccain > rudy giuliani > satan > hitler’s corpse > ron paul > fred thompson > mike huckabee Edwards would be my pick if I HAD to choose a democrat. However, Ron Paul owns your bleeding heart. ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2008, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/119 "2008-01-14T08:54:56Z")
Ron Paul kinda interferes with my firmly held beliefs in a social democrat welfare state, gun control, mandatory abortions, alaskan work camps for dissidents, et cetera… but seriously, i like the guy a hell of a lot… he’s just about 140° away from me on the political compass. ---
**Author:** ![Swarzkopf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@Swarzkopf](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Swarzkopf)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2008, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484/120 "2008-01-14T10:10:27Z")
> [@On another topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/34321/20): > > in order of my lack of reluctance to vote for them: > > john edwards > dennis kucinich > bill richardson > barack obama > hillary clinton > mitt romney > john mccain > rudy giuliani > satan > hitler’s corpse > ron paul > fred thompson > mike huckabee Wow LOL…dude that’s horrible… Too each his own; I’m not one to diss someone for opposing beliefs, but your choices are SO opposite of mine. Why Edwards over the Hilaminatrix or Obamanator? Because he’s the white guy? :eek2: [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pittspeed-politics-v-gop-dem-primaries-ron-paul/194484.md?page=7)