# pjb,s e/bay build up **URL:** \ **Category:** Builds\ **Created:** [December 28, 2008, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027 "2008-12-28T14:38:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/301 "2009-09-08T20:37:39Z")
> [@Saturday 1-27-07 Winter Meet @ PM:P](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/saturday-1-27-07-winter-meet-pm-p/22727/3): > > Im taking the truck to LG and probably putting the car away for the year. > > I tried another MAF tonight (thanks alot Pauly) and it still has issues. The car runs ok with all of the sensors unhooked but when theyre hooked up it stumbles, revs to 3500 and/or dies. It also runs so rich our eyes were burning. > > Were lost with this POS. Mechanically its great but theres some kind of computer issue. > > The injectors arent bad like we had thought. Again I have no idea, but with a EFI setup with bigger injectors and no tune in the computer to compensate, its just dumping fuel into the motor thinking their still the stock injectors? Maybe theres something way off with how the stang is setup but without telling the comp how to compensate for these big injectors it would run rich as shit… And if thats the case it may be running rich enough to the point where its stumbleing when its metering the ammount of air comming in and trying to dump the same ammount of fuel as the computer is setup for but being the injectors are bigger their spraying to much. I dunno if that makes sense, im beat to shit right now but it looks fine. Anyways Paul seriously man get it figured out, youve come to far and dumped to much money, everythings there now it just needs to be tweaked, its not like you put it all together and the whole motor blew up… it just has a few kinks in it. When I did my NA2T i got so caught up I first started the car up with the N/A ECU not thinking, the car ran rich as balls idleing and would stumble like a bitch when reving because the computer had no idea how to componsate for the bigger injectors… it was like 2am then I was like AHHH fml i forgot to swap the ECU’s over, then obviously the turbo ECU had a fuel map for the bigger injectors I’d think regardless of the make of the car the same would apply… I remember reading somethign you wrote about adjust the maf too… As far as I knew most MAF’s do have a way to adjust them but as far as I knew its generaly not recommended and you can fuck the maf up doing it… not to mention I wouldent think thats a safe way to trick the computer and componsate for the bigger injectors ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/302 "2009-09-08T20:38:44Z")
> [@Bought A WireLESS Router.....peeps usin it.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bought-a-wireless-router-peeps-usin-it/22732/3): > > your a neg nancy Well you spend what Ive spent on a POS that runs like shit no matter what gets replaced and see how positive your thinking is. This thing is draining me financially with every part I buy. ---
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/303 "2009-09-08T20:39:14Z")
very true ,i forgoyt about injectors ,ya went from 24 to 30 right if so that a lot of fuel not bein accounted for ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/304 "2009-09-08T20:41:00Z")
> [@Bought A WireLESS Router.....peeps usin it.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bought-a-wireless-router-peeps-usin-it/22732/5): > > Again I have no idea, but with a EFI setup with bigger injectors and no tune in the computer to compensate, its just dumping fuel into the motor thinking their still the stock injectors? Maybe theres something way off with how the stang is setup but without telling the comp how to compensate for these big injectors it would run rich as shit… And if thats the case it may be running rich enough to the point where its stumbleing when its metering the ammount of air comming in and trying to dump the same ammount of fuel as the computer is setup for but being the injectors are bigger their spraying to much. > > I dunno if that makes sense, im beat to shit right now but it looks fine. > > Anyways Paul seriously man get it figured out, youve come to far and dumped to much money, everythings there now it just needs to be tweaked, its not like you put it all together and the whole motor blew up… it just has a few kinks in it. > > When I did my NA2T i got so caught up I first started the car up with the N/A ECU not thinking, the car ran rich as balls idleing and would stumble like a bitch when reving because the computer had no idea how to componsate for the bigger injectors > > I’d think regardless of the make of the car the same would apply… The way it works with these cars is the MAF tricks the computer into thinking its still got stock injectors. The MAF is calibrated for the injector size. The main problem is that going further is going to cost me more money. ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/305 "2009-09-08T20:41:24Z")
> [@Bought A WireLESS Router.....peeps usin it.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bought-a-wireless-router-peeps-usin-it/22732/7): > > Well you spend what Ive spent on a POS that runs like shit no matter what gets replaced and see how positive your thinking is. > > This thing is draining me financially with every part I buy. i did and im done with junkers. ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/306 "2009-09-08T20:41:37Z")
> [@Bought A WireLESS Router.....peeps usin it.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bought-a-wireless-router-peeps-usin-it/22732/9): > > very true ,i forgoyt about injectors ,ya went from 24 to 30 right if so that a lot of fuel not bein accounted for Yeah and I switched MAFs with the injectors. Of course I sold all the old shit. ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/307 "2009-09-08T20:42:07Z")
> [@Nice OZ rims on craigslist (link)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nice-oz-rims-on-craigslist-link/22730/3): > > i did and im done with junkers. After this one I will be too. No more old cars for me. ---
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/308 "2009-09-08T20:42:24Z")
i have 24 out of my car ,they will work in yours same connector and all ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/309 "2009-09-08T20:42:59Z")
> [@Has anyone ever contested a grade at UB?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/has-anyone-ever-contested-a-grade-at-ub/22693/25): > > After this one I will be too. No more old cars for me. get a gt 5 hunge ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/310 "2009-09-08T20:43:29Z")
Yeah but the 30’s should work. And my maf wont work with 24’s. I looked into it on a few Mustang sites before I switched and they said 30’s were good for my setup. ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/311 "2009-09-08T20:43:55Z")
> [@Bought A WireLESS Router.....peeps usin it.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bought-a-wireless-router-peeps-usin-it/22732/11): > > get a gt 5 hunge I dont want one of those or the payment that comes with it. ---
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/312 "2009-09-08T20:44:37Z")
just try em .stop at shop and grab em ---
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/313 "2009-09-08T20:45:32Z")
> [@Wow deff look](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wow-deff-look/22731/9): > > The way it works with these cars is the MAF tricks the computer into thinking its still got stock injectors. The MAF is calibrated for the injector size. > > The main problem is that going further is going to cost me more money. Still I wouldent think thats a safe way to run the car anyways because correct me if im wrong but with the bigger injectors youd have to tell the MAF that more air is comming in then their really is so the computer compensates for that extra fuel thats being dumped in by the bigger injectors… With that being said certain MAFs do have a threshold in terms of how much air they can meter comming in, which is why say a lot of import guys use Ford lightning mafs because their ability to meter more air is higher , which is why if you ahve the maf adjusted to much there may not be enough headroom… Plus from what I know with most ECU’s even when tricking the computer like this it still only has a certain threshold in which it will compensate for something like this… So its very possible your going way outside the threshold of which your MAF/ECU will allow to compensate for these injectors. Therefor your cars all like FUCK YOU i cant do anymore because your asking me to do way to much and i dont have the fuel map to do so ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/314 "2009-09-08T20:47:18Z")
> [@Saturday 1-27-07 Winter Meet @ PM:P](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/saturday-1-27-07-winter-meet-pm-p/22727/8): > > just try em .stop at shop and grab em With a maf calibrated for 30’s its probably going to make even more of an issue. And to change injectors the intake needs to come off. Ill let you know if I decide to try going back to 24’s though. I really think its a computer issue more than an injector size issue considering the car shouldnt run at all with the tps, maf and iac unplugged. ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/315 "2009-09-08T20:48:00Z")
> [@NYSpeed @ Winged Warrior Performance Challenge - May 11th, 12th 2007](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nyspeed-winged-warrior-performance-challenge-may-11th-12th-2007/22533/112): > > I dont want one of those or the payment that comes with it. how bout v6 wit turbz? ---
**Author:** ![Shady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Shady](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shady)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/316 "2009-09-08T20:48:14Z")
> [@Official 24 Thread - 2007](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-24-thread-2007/22722/8): > > With a maf calibrated for 30’s its probably going to make even more of an issue. > > And to change injectors the intake needs to come off. > > Ill let you know if I decide to try going back to 24’s though. > > I really think its a computer issue more than an injector size issue considering the car shouldnt run at all with the tps, maf and iac unplugged. buy another computer? Ive known a few people whos ECU’s magicly fried after storage over the winter who knows freak accident? ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/317 "2009-09-08T20:49:15Z")
> [@Has anyone ever contested a grade at UB?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/has-anyone-ever-contested-a-grade-at-ub/22693/26): > > how bout v6 wit turbz? No. No other cars- end of story. > [@Saturday 1-27-07 Winter Meet @ PM:P](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/saturday-1-27-07-winter-meet-pm-p/22727/11): > > buy another computer? > > Ive known a few people whos ECU’s magicly fried after storage over the winter > > who knows freak accident? I really would like to get it tested or something before I just throw parts at it. ---
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/318 "2009-09-08T20:49:37Z")
> [@Official 24 Thread - 2007](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-24-thread-2007/22722/8): > > With a maf calibrated for 30’s its probably going to make even more of an issue. > > And to change injectors the intake needs to come off. > > Ill let you know if I decide to try going back to 24’s though. > > I really think its a computer issue more than an injector size issue considering the car shouldnt run at all with the tps, maf and iac unplugged. if its backfeedin voltage it can ---
**Author:** ![PJB](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pjb/32/6389_2.png) [@PJB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PJB)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/319 "2009-09-08T20:51:06Z")
and how would it do that? ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027/320 "2009-09-08T20:51:53Z")
> [@Verizon VIP - Evolve Please Comment](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/verizon-vip-evolve-please-comment/22701/17): > > No. No other cars- end of story. > > . how bout a 98 marquis wit ice cream paint job? [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pjb-s-e-bay-build-up/241027.md?page=17)