# Political Debate **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [September 30, 2004, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479 "2004-09-30T09:30:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/81 "2004-10-01T13:51:49Z")
> [@Blue4](#): > > But I do believe a lot of Americans (unions mainly). Need to get their heads out of their asses and realize their labor is not worth the insane wages they require and insist upon. Without specific links/instances, I cant really respond to that. :hs: there are thousands of unions, not all are the same. Im sure that some may be unreasonable, but I think that the vast majority are not. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/82 "2004-10-01T14:01:51Z")
these debates arent the same without Roland. I wonder how long it will be till he washes the sand out of his vag and comes back on the board. :dunno: ---
**Author:** ![rookee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rookee/32/5972_2.png) [@rookee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rookee)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/83 "2004-10-01T14:30:59Z")
> [@Darkstar](#): > > explain to me how a dollar in the pocket of a man with empty pockets is goning to do less than an extra dollar in the pocket of a man that already has a roll of $100’s in his. > > Whats wrong with this country is that people have the same views on corporations as you do. We the average worker should be privelaged to be able to have a job. We would be nothing without large corporations. :greddy: > > the corporations dont give a fuck about American workers. All the give a fuck about is their bottom line, which is why corporations are getting rich, and Americans are losing jobs because they can pay some Indonesian kid $.50 an hour to make their product instead of paying an American a fair wage to do so. Well, its gonna come around and bite them in the ass. Because every dollar they take out of the pockets of a hard working American, is one less dollar for that American to spend on their product. People get on import owners for buying imports, which is funny, because the Japaneese companies have invested more money in building factories in America than American companies have. 90% of the Camaro is built in Canada and Mexico. > > Its bullshit that there are hard working Americans living in poverty, barely able to make ends meet, while the companies they slave away for outsource their jobs out from undernath them, just so they can get even filthier rich. I mean, I have no problem with capitalism, but when those same multi-billionaires come and start whining about how they need tax cuts, I have no sympathy for them. They should be taxed even more IMHO. while bush does have his head up his ass as far as this is concerned (thanks reagan and trickle down economics :rolleyes:) Approximately 25 million small businesses in the nation represent 99.7 percent of all employers, employ more than 50 percent of the private work force, and generate more than half of the nation’s gross domestic product ([www.eeoc.gov](http://www.eeoc.gov)) so that’s not a huge problem in my mind… after all walmart started as a general store and grew into a billion dollar business, you have to take the good with the not so good (bc i refuse to call corps bad) with a free market economy ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/84 "2004-10-01T15:52:25Z")
> [@rookee](#): > > while bush does have his head up his ass as far as this is concerned (thanks reagan and trickle down economics :rolleyes:) Approximately 25 million small businesses in the nation represent 99.7 percent of all employers, employ more than 50 percent of the private work force, and generate more than half of the nation’s gross domestic product ([www.eeoc.gov](http://www.eeoc.gov)) so that’s not a huge problem in my mind… after all walmart started as a general store and grew into a billion dollar business, you have to take the good with the not so good (bc i refuse to call corps bad) with a free market economy I have no problem with a free market economy. However, i refuse to see how tax breaks for people that would have a hard time spending all their money in their lifetime if they made it their full time job would outbenefit the middle class family that can barely pay their rent every month. ---
**Author:** ![rookee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rookee/32/5972_2.png) [@rookee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rookee)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/85 "2004-10-01T16:35:35Z")
> [@Darkstar](#): > > I have no problem with a free market economy. However, i refuse to see how tax breaks for people that would have a hard time spending all their money in their lifetime if they made it their full time job would outbenefit the middle class family that can barely pay their rent every month. hence bush has his head up ass :boink ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/86 "2004-10-01T16:52:30Z")
> [@rookee](#): > > hence bush has his head up ass :boink you didnt have to tell me that! 😃 I have more of a problem with his domestic policy that the war in Iraq. Its just too bad that the GOP used to be for smaller government. Now both are for bigger government. Its like the GOP is now nothing but old christian conservatives, and the Democrats are the neo-liberal anti-war big government social program loving hippies. :hs: I hope sometime in my lifetime people pull their heads out of their asses, stand up for themselves and tell the politicains that they are sick of them pissing away 20% of their paycheks. ---
**Author:** ![Jeff95TA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jeff95ta/32/5935_2.png) [@Jeff95TA](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jeff95TA)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/87 "2004-10-01T19:08:51Z")
What bugs me is when politicians or unions or whoever talk about being for the “working man”. I guess since I’m a white collar worker I don’t work hard. I’ve busted my ass to get where I am (not that I’m somewhere so fantastic). And there are lazy fucks in every line of work. Luckily my field doesn’t have unions protecting those people and they pretty much get weeded out - unlike teachers. And I’m all for smaller government. But how do you get government to reduce the size of themselves? It’s self preservation. ---
**Author:** ![rookee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rookee/32/5972_2.png) [@rookee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rookee)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/88 "2004-10-01T20:17:36Z")
> [@Jeff95TA](#): > > And I’m all for smaller government. But how do you get government to reduce the size of themselves? It’s self preservation. ie, all congressman retire at full salary for life… and collect social security :nuts: like they need the extra $1000 a month, greedy fuckin aholes. problem is, no one knows how to make this country anything more than a 2 party system. it’s gonna take a collosial fuck up for a third or forth party to ever garner any decent amount of votes… on teh plus side bush and kerry just might be fuckin stupid enough to bring that about… i vote no confidence for both parties and elect to write in gulianni 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gray05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cc9497/32.png) [@Gray05](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gray05)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/89 "2004-10-01T20:23:44Z")
> [@rookee](#): > > ie, all congressman retire at full salary for life… and collect social security :nuts: like they need the extra $1000 a month, greedy fuckin aholes. problem is, no one knows how to make this country anything more than a 2 party system. it’s gonna take a collosial fuck up for a third or forth party to ever garner any decent amount of votes… on teh plus side bush and kerry just might be fuckin stupid enough to bring that about… i vote no confidence for both parties and elect to write in gulianni 😃 wait for '08 I bet he runs on the republican ticket ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2004, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/90 "2004-10-01T23:56:27Z")
> [@rookee](#): > > i vote no confidence for both parties and elect to write in gulianni 😃 :ugh: Giuliani was awesome on 9/11, but he’s a political nutbag. If you’re gonna write in anyone, write in John McCain. I dont think he’ll ever run again, but he would have been a better president than any we’ve had in the last 50 years. But we pick Bush instead, and he’s slowly (actually, rather quickly) running the country into the ground. Kerry \> Bush It like getting the choice of getting kicked in the groin or shot in the face with a .44 The choice is an easy one, but you arent necesarily happy about the ultimate outcome. ---
**Author:** ![rookee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rookee/32/5972_2.png) [@rookee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rookee)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/91 "2004-10-02T10:07:04Z")
> [@Darkstar](#): > > :ugh: > > Giuliani was awesome on 9/11, but he’s a political nutbag. If you’re gonna write in anyone, write in John McCain. I dont think he’ll ever run again, but he would have been a better president than any we’ve had in the last 50 years. But we pick Bush instead, and he’s slowly (actually, rather quickly) running the country into the ground. > > Kerry \> Bush > > It like getting the choice of getting kicked in the groin or shot in the face with a .44 The choice is an easy one, but you arent necesarily happy about the ultimate outcome. yeah i guess i’m still swooning over 9-11 and the cleaning up of ny,ny… other than that i can’t site anything good or bad that he’s done. and as far as the gun crotch thing… i couldn’t have said it better ---
**Author:** ![Gray05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cc9497/32.png) [@Gray05](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gray05)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/92 "2004-10-02T11:42:41Z")
Gulianni/McCain in '08 on the GOP ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/93 "2004-10-02T11:44:57Z")
> [@Blue4](#): > > Gulianni/McCain in '08 on the GOP McCain/clone of McCain in 08. I cant really think of another GOP canidate that is worth a shit. ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/94 "2004-10-02T11:52:59Z")
McCain, Wesley Clark, or Howard Dean in '08 ---
**Author:** ![Gray05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cc9497/32.png) [@Gray05](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gray05)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/95 "2004-10-02T11:54:52Z")
anybody but Hilary ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/96 "2004-10-02T14:44:45Z")
> [@ShalerPunk](#): > > Howard Dean in '08 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Stroker](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/stroker/32/5948_2.png) [@Stroker](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Stroker)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/97 "2004-10-02T14:47:41Z")
> [@Blue4](#): > > anybody but Hilary . ---
**Author:** ![Shaggy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shaggy/32/5945_2.png) [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/98 "2004-10-02T18:28:47Z")
Military service among American politicians Democrats Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71. David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72. Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72. Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade. Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam. Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII. John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V Purple Hearts. John Edwards: did not serve. Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea. Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam. Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953. Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91. Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier’s Medal. Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit. Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart. Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V. Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star. Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57. Chuck Robb: Vietnam. Howell Heflin: Silver Star. George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII. Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received 311. Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy. Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953. John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters. Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg. Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point, Vietnam, Purple Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star general. John Dingell: WWII vet. John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea. Republicans Dennis Hastert: did not serve. Tom Delay: did not serve. House Whiip Roy Blunt: did not serve. Bill Frist: did not serve. Rudy Giuliani: did not serve. George Pataki: did not serve. Mitch McConnell: did not serve. Rick Santorum: did not serve. Trent Lott: did not serve. Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage. John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business. Jeb Bush: did not serve. Karl Rove: did not serve. Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. “Bad knee.” The man who attacked Max Cleland’s patriotism. Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve. Vin Weber: did not serve. Richard Perle: did not serve. Douglas Feith: did not serve. Eliot Abrams: did not serve. Richard Shelby: did not serve. Jon Kyl: did not serve. Tim Hutchison: did not serve. Christopher Cox: did not serve. Newt Gingrich: did not serve. Donald Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight instructor. George W. Bush: six-year Nat’l Guard commitment (incomplete). Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies. Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII. Phil Gramm: did not serve. John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Bob Dole: an honorable veteran. Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986. JC Watts: did not serve. Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer. G.H.W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese. Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam. Antonin Scalia: did not serve. Clarence Thomas: did not serve. Pundits Sean Hannity: did not serve. Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a ‘pilonidal cyst’). Bill O’Reilly: did not serve. Michael Savage: did not serve. George Will: did not serve. Chris Matthews: did not serve. Paul Gigot: did not serve. Bill Bennett: did not serve. Pat Buchanan: did not serve. Bill Kristol: did not serve. Kenneth Starr: did not serve. Michael Medved: did not serve. ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/99 "2004-10-02T23:54:19Z")
> [@Shaggy](#): > > Military service among American politicians A Republican doesn’t go to war…a Republican sends his neighbour’s kids to go to war. (no, I’m not discrediting the very honourable service many Republicans have made, but many, many pro-war Republicans have little to no military history, while many liberal Democrats are veterans.) ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2004, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479/100 "2004-10-03T01:41:00Z")
> [@ShalerPunk](#): > > A Republican doesn’t go to war…a Republican sends his neighbour’s kids to go to war. > > (no, I’m not discrediting the very honourable service many Republicans have made, but many, many pro-war Republicans have little to no military history, while many liberal Democrats are veterans.) this man speaks the truth. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-debate/169479.md?page=6)