# political rant... **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [November 17, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447 "2009-11-17T20:41:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/81 "2009-11-18T10:10:08Z")
> [@need help, i think im getting screwed around by the dealer....](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-help-i-think-im-getting-screwed-around-by-the-dealer/26018/3): > > Again, not understanding how policy is made, influenced, and changed. > > Shawn is the Glen Beck of the left. I guess no one has figured out the power of the people. :tongue Last time I checked, like 1% of this country owns like 99%. I can’t make a difference. My opinion doesn’t matter. The rich and powerful will make sure of that. I got my own problems in life. I’ll let others deal with saving the world. Sorry, it’s how I see it. ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/82 "2009-11-18T10:11:40Z")
> [@OFFICIAL Buffalo Sabres Thread](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-buffalo-sabres-thread/25170/3557): > > How did I know you were going to say that? Of course I’m ignorant. It’s because my opinions don’t line up with yours. > > I’m calling it how I see it. I hear is all these lobby groups lobbying for various things, but from the looks of it, not many of them actually get what they want. And if they do, they only get partial results. Maybe I’m reading the wrong news? Who knows. > > But yeah, I’m an ignorant idiot who doesn’t know ANYTHING. I vote for JClark to fix our country. He knows EVERYTHING. **IT’S FACT, NOT OPINION. YOU’RE SIMPLY INCORRECT.** ---
**Author:** ![n\_cole](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/n_cole/32/6382_2.png) [@n\_cole](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/n_cole)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/83 "2009-11-18T10:12:10Z")
Daaaaannngg. Told you. ---
**Author:** ![Ilya](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilya/32/6404_2.png) [@Ilya](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ilya)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/84 "2009-11-18T10:13:50Z")
> [@FS: RELIABLE 91 DA Integra CLEAN ho0ttt](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-reliable-91-da-integra-clean-ho0ttt/25891/19): > > **IT’S FACT, NOT OPINION. YOU’RE SIMPLY INCORRECT.** Please provide me with some facts/evidence where a lobby group has lobbied for a radical change that **was meant to** **help our country and actually gotten their desired result**. I haven’t seen any in recent memory. All I see is more and more stuff being allowed. If you call that winning/achieving a good result, that’s fine. But I don’t see it helping this country any one bit. ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/85 "2009-11-18T10:19:28Z")
> [@My beer \> your beer](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-beer-your-beer/26016/6): > > Please provide me with some facts/evidence where a lobby group has lobbied for a radical change that has helped our country and actually gotten their desired result. I haven’t seen any in recent memory. All I see is more and more stuff being allowed. If you call that winning/achieving a good result, that’s fine. But I don’t see it helping this country any one bit. ‘Helped’ our country is one of those opinion thingies, so therefore it is up to you to decide what ‘helps’ our country. Lobbyists and people expressing opinions affect every. piece. of. legislation. Every one. Our latest health care bill, cash for clunkers, the bailout, Roe v. Wade, WWI, the Declaration of Independence… Everyone lobbying for each one of those believed that they were helping the country. Were they? That’s an OPINION. As far as things being ‘allowed,’ do you mean more spending? That’s the American way lately. Want to change it? Express an opinion. Seriously tho, you have demonstrated that you know little to nothing of how government works our even our party system. Like 99FRC said, you’re opinions here are disregarded because they are factually WRONG, not just different. ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/86 "2009-11-18T10:20:18Z")
Whups, double post. ---
**Author:** ![DFDrocks247365](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dfdrocks247365/32/24907_2.png) [@DFDrocks247365](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DFDrocks247365)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/87 "2009-11-18T10:26:26Z")
> [@OFFICIAL Buffalo Sabres Thread](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-buffalo-sabres-thread/25170/3557): > > How did I know you were going to say that? Of course I’m ignorant. It’s because my opinions don’t line up with yours. > > I’m calling it how I see it. I hear is all these lobby groups lobbying for various things, but from the looks of it, not many of them actually get what they want. And if they do, they only get partial results. Maybe I’m reading the wrong news? Who knows. > > But yeah, I’m an ignorant idiot who doesn’t know ANYTHING. I vote for JClark to fix our country. He knows EVERYTHING. YOUR IGNORANT BECAUSE YOUR WRONG…YOU SEE IT WRONG. Its one thing to state your opinion…but your throwing out nonsense that isn’t even remotely correct! :retardclap ilya i usually try very hard to defend you because i have a religous backround you do get picked on a lot…but you deserve it a lot of the time…and this is one of those times ---
**Author:** ![Ilya](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilya/32/6404_2.png) [@Ilya](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ilya)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/88 "2009-11-18T10:33:45Z")
Well too bad for me then I guess. Kudos to you guys though. I don’t see voting, lobbying, etc. making a difference. It’s been going on (people voicing their opinions) for years and years, and yet we’re getting into a bigger and bigger hole. So tell me who’s winning. Either the lobbyists are lobbying for the wrong things (causing this hole), or the lobbyists are being ignored (causing this hole). That’s all I see. Perhaps I AM wrong, but that’s what I see. ---
**Author:** ![DFDrocks247365](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dfdrocks247365/32/24907_2.png) [@DFDrocks247365](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DFDrocks247365)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/89 "2009-11-18T10:35:50Z")
> [@My beer \> your beer](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/my-beer-your-beer/26016/11): > > Well too bad for me then I guess. Kudos to you guys though. > > I don’t see voting, lobbying, etc. as making a difference. It’s been going on (people voicing their opinions) for years and years, and yet we’re getting into a bigger and bigger hole. So tell me who’s winning. Either the lobbyists are lobbying for the wrong things (causing this hole), or the lobbyists are being ignored (causing this hole). That’s all I see. Perhaps I AM wrong, but that’s what I see. :facepalm ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/90 "2009-11-18T10:36:32Z")
No, your wrong. I’m wright. :lol ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/91 "2009-11-18T10:45:07Z")
> [@need help, i think im getting screwed around by the dealer....](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-help-i-think-im-getting-screwed-around-by-the-dealer/26018/4): > > I guess no one has figured out the power of the people. :tongue > > Last time I checked, like 1% of this country owns like 99%. I can’t make a difference. My opinion doesn’t matter. The rich and powerful will make sure of that. I got my own problems in life. I’ll let others deal with saving the world. Sorry, it’s how I see it. Exactly. Nobody here on shift, or anyone I know personally will have a shot in hell to make a difference. Now take that 1% that actuall can make a difference, and divide that up by how many people are in that 1%. Now you know damn well, they dont agree and will not settle on anything to help out the 99% becasue it will take a little of what they have away if they do. > [@One of a kind Audi hotness](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/one-of-a-kind-audi-hotness/25990/15): > > :facepalm :rockon ---
**Author:** ![DFDrocks247365](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dfdrocks247365/32/24907_2.png) [@DFDrocks247365](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DFDrocks247365)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/92 "2009-11-18T10:51:28Z")
negative…your elected officials are payed to represent you the people in their district when there voting on legislation… How can they represent you if you don’t voice how you feel on what there about to do. THIS is why writing letters, phone calls, and public protesting is very important. If that 99% shuts up then the pressure off the politicians is gone and they WILL do whatever the fuck they want. WE the people are what keep them at least somewhat in check. of course they do a lot of things regardless because you elect them along with there party’s agenda. ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/93 "2009-11-18T10:54:06Z")
> [@what to use on the evo's exhaust?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-to-use-on-the-evos-exhaust/26017/5): > > negative…your elected officials are payed to represent you the people in their district when there voting on legislation… > > How can they represent you if you don’t voice how you feel on what there about to do. THIS is why writing letters, phone calls, and public protesting is very important. If that 99% shuts up then the pressure off the politicians is gone and they WILL do whatever the fuck they want. WE the people are what keep them at least somewhat in check. > > of course they do a lot of things regardless because you elect them along with there party’s agenda. I see. I am going to be honest I dont know jack about governemnt. I just like to spout off on shift about what gets in my head. lol ---
**Author:** ![Ilya](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilya/32/6404_2.png) [@Ilya](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ilya)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/94 "2009-11-18T10:56:59Z")
> [@what to use on the evo's exhaust?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/what-to-use-on-the-evos-exhaust/26017/5): > > **of course they do a lot of things regardless because you elect them along with there party’s agenda.** :facepalm Didn’t I say that? That’s my main qualm with ‘voicing my opinion’ to the Government. No matter what, there is always an agenda which I didn’t ask for (or we didn’t ask for). THAT is what makes it a waste of effort in a lot of regards. They can, and in many ways do, do whatever the hell they want. ---
**Author:** ![ninety1two40](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ninety1two40/32/6332_2.png) [@ninety1two40](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ninety1two40)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/95 "2009-11-18T11:09:37Z")
> [@need evox boot iso, or whatever](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-evox-boot-iso-or-whatever/26014/2): > > :facepalm > > Didn’t I say that? That’s my main qualm with ‘voicing my opinion’ to the Government. No matter what, **there is always an agenda which I didn’t ask for (or we didn’t ask for)**. THAT is what makes it a waste of effort in a lot of regards. They can, and in many ways do, do whatever the hell they want. Then don’t vote for them. ---
**Author:** ![DFDrocks247365](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dfdrocks247365/32/24907_2.png) [@DFDrocks247365](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DFDrocks247365)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/96 "2009-11-18T11:49:39Z")
> [@need evox boot iso, or whatever](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/need-evox-boot-iso-or-whatever/26014/2): > > :facepalm > > Didn’t I say that? That’s my main qualm with ‘voicing my opinion’ to the Government. No matter what, there is always an agenda which I didn’t ask for (or we didn’t ask for). THAT is what makes it a waste of effort in a lot of regards. They can, and in many ways do, do whatever the hell they want. Its not a no matter what situation. Every person counts…if that isn’t true then we are being cheated. Sometimes they do just what they want…and if the people really care then they don’t elected again:Idiots and for an agenda you didn’t ask for?? someone did! someone who started a petition and raised awareness their issue. :retardclap just gtfo ---
**Author:** ![Shawn96VR-4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Shawn96VR-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shawn96VR-4)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/97 "2009-11-18T12:12:17Z")
I am writing these gems down. In return, I will post some stock tips from Bernie who is sleepin under a cardboard tent outside the church on the west side. ---
**Author:** ![DFDrocks247365](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dfdrocks247365/32/24907_2.png) [@DFDrocks247365](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DFDrocks247365)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/98 "2009-11-18T12:16:04Z")
> [@Police find $206 million drug cash in Mexican house](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/police-find-206-million-drug-cash-in-mexican-house/26025/5): > > I am writing these gems down. In return, I will post some stock tips from Bernie who is sleepin under a cardboard tent outside the church on the west side. :rofl im done ---
**Author:** ![Ilya](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilya/32/6404_2.png) [@Ilya](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ilya)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/99 "2009-11-18T12:17:08Z")
Can you honestly say with all certainty that some of the ‘agendas’ by the people we vote in (no matter who it is or which election period) aren’t personal agendas and are in fact agendas of other voters? EVERYONE has a personal agenda. If you disagree with this, then you need to take a sociology class PRONTO. There is not ONE politician who is working JUST for the people. Some are working for the people and themselves, some are working for themselves and barely for the people, and some are just working for themselves and pretending to work for the people. If you honestly think “all politicans do is what the people ask/brought up to them”…I am sorry, but I just do not buy that. That’s wishful thinking at it’s finest. And if people really care, they don’t get elected again. GREAT! Guess who replaces them? Another person who gets voted out because of some OTHER issue. It’s a never ending cycle. You will never find a politician who will work in the publics best interest 100% of the time and find a medium that pleases the vast majority of the population. I just don’t buy that train of thought. Call me retarded, call me ignorant, I don’t care. I don’t buy that crap. All politicians are crooked in one way or another. I’m done with this thread. Everyone, including me, is stubborn. So be it. ---
**Author:** ![Yo\_Rita](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/yo_rita/32/6450_2.png) [@Yo\_Rita](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Yo_Rita)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447/100 "2009-11-18T12:24:37Z")
> [@Police find $206 million drug cash in Mexican house](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/police-find-206-million-drug-cash-in-mexican-house/26025/7): > > Can you honestly say with all certainty that some of the ‘agendas’ by the people we vote in (no matter who it is or which election period) aren’t personal agendas and are in fact agendas of other voters? EVERYONE has a personal agenda. If you disagree with this, then you need to take a sociology class PRONTO. There is not ONE politician who is working JUST for the people. Some are working for the people and themselves, some are working for themselves and barely for the people, and some are just working for themselves and pretending to work for the people. > > If you honestly think “all politicans do is what the people ask/brought up to them”…I am sorry, but I just do not buy that. That’s wishful thinking at it’s finest. > > And if people really care, they don’t get elected again. GREAT! Guess who replaces them? Another person who gets voted out because of some OTHER issue. It’s a never ending cycle. You will never find a politician who will work in the publics best interest 100% of the time and find a medium that pleases the vast majority of the population. I just don’t buy that train of thought. Call me retarded, call me ignorant, I don’t care. I don’t buy that crap. All politicians are crooked in one way or another. I’m done with this thread. Everyone, including me, is stubborn. So be it. agreed [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/political-rant/248447.md?page=6)