# pre-war purchase...with a twist **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [January 15, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486 "2017-01-15T20:07:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![travisn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/travisn/32/5046_2.png) [@travisn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/travisn)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/41 "2017-03-01T12:46:13Z")
30w in the trans, right? ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/42 "2017-03-01T14:47:27Z")
dexron from what I read. ---
**Author:** ![travisn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/travisn/32/5046_2.png) [@travisn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/travisn)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/43 "2017-03-01T16:06:23Z")
Since you have the older NWC trans you aren’t supposed to use dexron. There are a few different answers, convince yourself which one to use. I’m using rotella 40w since it was on sale at autozone NWC vs WC > **[T5 Info Page](https://lugnutz65chevystepside.weebly.com/t5-info-page.html)** > >  - Thinking about installing a T5?  Read This First [http://www.pro-forceperformance.com/t-5\_history.htm](http://www.pro-forceperformance.com/t-5_history.htm) > Dexron-III ATF replaced Dexron-II in 1993. While Dexron-III meets or exceeds the previous specifications, the viscocity of Dexron-III is thinner than the original Dexron-II that was specified for the NON-World Class T-5. This thinner fluid is fine for the World Class T-5 with the lined synchro rings, but the NON-World Class T-5 with the brass synchro rings needs a thicker fluid to work optimally. As a result, Tremec has specified 30W MOTOR OIL for the NON-World Class T-5’s. [http://www.gilfether.com/my-experience-using-different-t5-transmission-fluids/256/](http://www.gilfether.com/my-experience-using-different-t5-transmission-fluids/256/) > Q: What type of Transmission fluid should I use in my Non World Class T5?A: As I stated in my article, the transmission shop and company that re-manufactured my new Non World Class T5 told me to use Syncromesh fluid. This can be bought at any auto parts store. I currently am using the Pennzoil Syncromesh because it’s all that is available at the Advanced Auto near me. There are other brands too. DO NOT USE ANY TYPE OF AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID! ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/44 "2017-03-01T21:13:32Z")
> **[T5 fluids - Third Generation F-Body Message Boards](https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/faq-board/387659-t5-fluids.html)** > > FAQ Board - T5 fluids - what is the best oil to put in my T5 trans?there was dextron in it when i bought it and ppl told me to run gear oil like 80W90 or something like that. this thread talks all about how in early NWC t5’s you can use gear oil but also mentions that you can use dexron ATF in ALL versions of the t5 - - - Updated - - - i just looked up my trans code its def this [TABLE=“class: body-estext”] [TR=“bgcolor: D9EEEB”] 1352-072 GM 1985 Camaro/Firebird 5.0 V8 U 2.76 2.95 1.94 1.34 1.00 0.63 [/TR] [/TABLE] - - - Updated - - - > **[T5 Rebuild Kit-Non World Class](https://www.moderndriveline.com/shop/transmission-service-parts/t5-rebuild-kit-non-world-class/)** > > T5 Rebuild Kit-Non World Class Ford Morotorsprts Master kit. Great for NWC ford T5's Except 4-cylinder and Cobra OE transmissions. > **One last piece of important information. _ALL_ World Class T-5 use ATF (Dextron III) oil and NOT heavy gear oil or Redline MTL! All NON-World Class T-5 use 50 wt gear oil. (The original Ford/Borg-Warner recommendation back in 1984 was Dextron II. As this is no longer available, we and TREMEC recommend the 50 wt gear oil.) We recommend high quality Synthetic oil as it lasts a long time and over a larger operating temperature. It is important to change the oil in your transmission based on how you use the vehicle. If the vehicle is your daily driver then changing the oil every two to three years is fine.** - - - Updated - - - > **[T5 trans fluid?????](https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/t5-trans-fluid.71009/)** > > Flat Ernie mentioned in another thread that nwc T5's used 70 wt trans fluid and wc used dextron. This is the first I ever heard of that. True? I have... so much conflicting information… - - - Updated - - - > **[T5 Oil Change Lots of Brass](https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/t5-oil-change-lots-of-brass.499171/)** > > as some of you may know, i've been screwing around with some shoddy work on the installation of my T5 trans in my 62, chevy truck. i finally fixed... - - - Updated - - - so after about an hour of research im left with no idea what to use. options thus far include: synchromesh 50wt gear oil 70wt gear oil atf dexron iii engine oil ---
**Author:** ![travisn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/travisn/32/5046_2.png) [@travisn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/travisn)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/45 "2017-03-01T22:34:03Z")
Haha my thoughts exactly. Buying the 2.5 gallon jug of Rotella made it easy. Enough for the engine and trans in one go. - - - Updated - - - You have NWC? ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2017, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/46 "2017-03-02T06:45:27Z")
yeah the trans code is def from an '85 camaro and from what i read GM didnt start using WC t5’s until '88 - - - Updated - - - this snip has convinced me to look for a synth ATF i think > The NWC T5 gears run on bronze bushings & use all-brass synchros - just like most older transmissions. These were originally designed to run on gear oil. > WC T5 have roller bearings and carbon-fibre blocking rings on the synchros - this is modern technology designed to use modern lubricants. > Lubricants have also evolved over the years. Many lubricant additive packages will allow usage beyond the recommended or OEM. It is my personal opinion (opinion only) that GM changed and recommended ATF in their NWC T5 due to shift feel. Not if it will shift or not, or how quickly, rather, how smoothly and quietly. > It is now so hard to find basic non-hypoid gear oil that it simply isn’t worth the effort with the advances most modern ATFs have. When you think of the duty ATF has to perform, you’ll realize it’s actually an incredible lubricant and hydraulic fluid. So, I’ve evolved too - I now use synthetic ATF in all my T5s - WC and NWC. > Auto transmissions use combinations of bushings and bearings and operate at temperatures a manual transmission will never see. This whole “it’s hot in Florida” is a red herring as far as which lube to use. Since you have a NWC T5, use either. ---
**Author:** ![travisn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/travisn/32/5046_2.png) [@travisn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/travisn)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2017, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/47 "2017-03-02T08:13:51Z")
Hmm. I think the next time I have the trans out I’ll try ATF and see if the shift feel changes. I tried to do the 2.8 qts everyone calls for and it was just to the fill hole level that I’ve always followed so not worth the hassle of measuring. I have a lot of drivetrain whine but I think it’s coming from the rear end. ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2017, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/48 "2017-03-02T08:56:07Z")
yeah ill grab 3qts of dex3 atf and hope for the best lol. my trans sometimes slips out of 2/4/R but I think its a shift boot alignment issue ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2017, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/49 "2017-03-02T18:56:44Z")
after work today: fresh Dexron III bled and replaced the clutch fluid adjusted the shifter adjusted the e-brake ![http://68.media.tumblr.com/7313213d26cdc9898aada36906d50559/tumblr_om7x0x2laU1qf3hxno4_1280.jpg](http://68.media.tumblr.com/7313213d26cdc9898aada36906d50559/tumblr_om7x0x2laU1qf3hxno4_1280.jpg) ![http://68.media.tumblr.com/e9251e615306d427fc90784708b4dbb8/tumblr_om7x0x2laU1qf3hxno3_1280.jpg](http://68.media.tumblr.com/e9251e615306d427fc90784708b4dbb8/tumblr_om7x0x2laU1qf3hxno3_1280.jpg) ![http://68.media.tumblr.com/27fd9c3f345479b5f3b322565e55c2d7/tumblr_om7x0x2laU1qf3hxno2_1280.jpg](http://68.media.tumblr.com/27fd9c3f345479b5f3b322565e55c2d7/tumblr_om7x0x2laU1qf3hxno2_1280.jpg) ![http://68.media.tumblr.com/c28f7737d8ca7ebbda3ad942c087335e/tumblr_om7x0x2laU1qf3hxno1_1280.png](http://68.media.tumblr.com/c28f7737d8ca7ebbda3ad942c087335e/tumblr_om7x0x2laU1qf3hxno1_1280.png) ![http://68.media.tumblr.com/b209711b8dc4d61c02453913b8f34283/tumblr_om7x0x2laU1qf3hxno5_1280.jpg](http://68.media.tumblr.com/b209711b8dc4d61c02453913b8f34283/tumblr_om7x0x2laU1qf3hxno5_1280.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![travisn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/travisn/32/5046_2.png) [@travisn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/travisn)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2017, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/50 "2017-03-02T22:06:09Z")
What’s to adjust in the shifter? ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2017, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/51 "2017-03-02T23:23:45Z")
i noticed that it kept falling out of 2/4/R really easily at first i thought it was just a byproduct of a transmission thats been raped with way too much power well as i was under the car today i decided to inspect the hole cut in the floor and it seemed like the shifter was awful close to bottoming out so to speak. so then i decided to inspect from the top and noticed that it actually wasn’t able to get fully into gear so i cut out some of the floor/rug/insulation and boom. much better. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![travisn](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/travisn/32/5046_2.png) [@travisn](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/travisn)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/52 "2017-03-03T09:17:44Z")
“adjusted” lol ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/53 "2017-03-03T09:40:48Z")
lol it was easier to write that than the long explanation i ended up writing anyway ---
**Author:** ![maxwell](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/maxwell/32/6524_2.png) [@maxwell](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/maxwell)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/54 "2017-03-03T11:14:56Z")
Probably eased a ton of worry with that ‘adjustment.’ I love it when it works out like that. ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/55 "2017-03-03T13:45:37Z")
boom i now have fully working gauges! ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/5721FA1B-7C9F-4135-8CFA-41F90A292633_zpsgebbanj2.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/5721FA1B-7C9F-4135-8CFA-41F90A292633_zpsgebbanj2.jpg) - - - Updated - - - well except the speedo but who gives a shit about that one ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/56 "2017-03-03T17:19:18Z")
interior door handles came in ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/7D9C43C3-84E7-45D1-8BB1-50A4100B0746_zpsdlgqkbmo.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/7D9C43C3-84E7-45D1-8BB1-50A4100B0746_zpsdlgqkbmo.jpg) i was told they were pre tapped and came with set screws -\_\_\_\_- but since of course that wasnt the case. so i had to tap them myself… ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/F8CE1FA6-83F7-4024-AED2-76EEA9D0C946_zpsz4nsly0h.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/F8CE1FA6-83F7-4024-AED2-76EEA9D0C946_zpsz4nsly0h.jpg) boom ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/93767527-6F52-4A68-AC3F-D1D7E462CD2A_zpsce01lsiw.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/93767527-6F52-4A68-AC3F-D1D7E462CD2A_zpsce01lsiw.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Matt\_Danger](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/matt_danger/32/4981_2.png) [@Matt\_Danger](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Matt_Danger)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/57 "2017-03-04T10:43:24Z")
lol love the fingers crossed decal next to the ignition key ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/58 "2017-03-04T12:28:24Z")
i thought it was fitting ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/59 "2017-03-04T19:31:43Z")
spent the day cruising with my Brandan and his awesome '36…and yes it has a proper flathead ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/24426EF5-2995-430B-BE6F-A892CD580646_zpsflgbmqxq.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/24426EF5-2995-430B-BE6F-A892CD580646_zpsflgbmqxq.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![XwalkerX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xwalkerx/32/7598_2.png) [@XwalkerX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/XwalkerX)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2017, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486/60 "2017-03-05T10:48:46Z")
more pics from yesterday ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/9400919F-1B13-42DB-B2DD-4BEC84F15AA1_zpsvotyaovj.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/9400919F-1B13-42DB-B2DD-4BEC84F15AA1_zpsvotyaovj.jpg) ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/0E3009F1-9233-4FFC-8367-EB11AA1BF78F_zpskchvslcu.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/0E3009F1-9233-4FFC-8367-EB11AA1BF78F_zpskchvslcu.jpg) ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/7F578751-3A90-4CA8-9DC5-222C89BDD88B_zpscx5v8kd6.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/7F578751-3A90-4CA8-9DC5-222C89BDD88B_zpscx5v8kd6.jpg) ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/058CFFB2-181B-499C-92B2-DED2226E3B65_zpsbqdpflcj.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/058CFFB2-181B-499C-92B2-DED2226E3B65_zpsbqdpflcj.jpg) ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/83A6A8EE-05F1-4037-B4DA-B715DE180EA4_zpsxcpyioxs.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/83A6A8EE-05F1-4037-B4DA-B715DE180EA4_zpsxcpyioxs.jpg) ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/3A6F9429-B80F-4A0D-96E5-99C7D717ABAD_zpss9e7710v.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/3A6F9429-B80F-4A0D-96E5-99C7D717ABAD_zpss9e7710v.jpg) ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/54B4F759-CA0B-425F-833C-6432B3B7F67F_zpspvd8vr6p.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/54B4F759-CA0B-425F-833C-6432B3B7F67F_zpspvd8vr6p.jpg) [video][http://vidmg.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/D1D7624F-A0BF-48E3-B6C7-87BA4C5B1759\_zpsc2q2gglj.mp4[/video]](http://vidmg.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/D1D7624F-A0BF-48E3-B6C7-87BA4C5B1759_zpsc2q2gglj.mp4%5B/video%5D) - - - Updated - - - also here are pics i forgot to upload from Donut Derelicts last weekend brisk 41 degrees at 6am [video][http://vidmg.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/AD097B99-73E7-48D1-8D29-CABE073FE157\_zpsafddzx3g.mp4[/video]](http://vidmg.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/AD097B99-73E7-48D1-8D29-CABE073FE157_zpsafddzx3g.mp4%5B/video%5D) ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/493EB4E5-31D6-44DE-9B73-11E86B9263CE_zpsdsxseeiz.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/493EB4E5-31D6-44DE-9B73-11E86B9263CE_zpsdsxseeiz.jpg) ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/AAE88860-CBF3-4313-B871-F4669E94E69D_zpsdwydxab2.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/AAE88860-CBF3-4313-B871-F4669E94E69D_zpsdwydxab2.jpg) ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/EA931AC4-D641-40AD-B8E8-793B201A13A2_zpspfsdmvk9.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/EA931AC4-D641-40AD-B8E8-793B201A13A2_zpspfsdmvk9.jpg) ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/F3DBDD48-D38D-49EA-A743-16C9B66761CF_zpskiyijt8p.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/XwalkerX1/F3DBDD48-D38D-49EA-A743-16C9B66761CF_zpskiyijt8p.jpg) [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pre-war-purchase-with-a-twist/274486.md?page=4)