# Pretty incredible new racetrack **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [February 22, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478 "2009-02-22T21:13:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/21 "2009-02-25T08:25:32Z")
> [@Jackie Chiles](#): > > Looks like a pretty but stupid track. No run off, spectators on impact walls, etc. Pretty though, but more suitable for a video game. You’re an idiot. I suppose SPA, Bathurst, WGI, etc are stupid tracks as well? Go back to the Tilke designed garbage we’ve been used to seeing. More stupidity from noobs. :picard: ---
**Author:** ![Willybeen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/willybeen/32/7351_2.png) [@Willybeen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Willybeen)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/22 "2009-02-25T08:40:56Z")
too dangerous for bikes… eek. ---
**Author:** ![Jackie\_Chiles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@Jackie\_Chiles](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jackie_Chiles)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/23 "2009-02-25T09:02:54Z")
> [@MPD47](#): > > You’re an idiot. I suppose SPA, Bathurst, WGI, etc are stupid tracks as well? > > Go back to the Tilke designed garbage we’ve been used to seeing. > > More stupidity from noobs. :picard: Thanks for the welcome. How old are you? Have you ever raced anything on a road course? (Trackdays don’t count, but have you ever driven a car or ridden a bike on a trackday?) Have you ever held a actual license to race, even on an amateur level? Have you been in a race where someone died? Has your vehicle ever hit a wall at a road course? Ever tended to someone injured and lying on a track after coming into contact with a wall? I figure that you are a total noob but that you might have watched a road race on TV or actually been to one once, so I will cut you some slack. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/24 "2009-02-25T09:06:45Z")
> [@Jackie Chiles](#): > > Thanks for the welcome. > > How old are you? > > Have you ever raced anything on a road course? (Trackdays don’t count, but have you ever driven a car or ridden a bike on a trackday?) Have you ever held a actual license to race, even on an amateur level? Have you been in a race where someone died? Has your vehicle ever hit a wall at a road course? Ever tended to someone injured and lying on a track after coming into contact with a wall? > > I figure that you are a total noob but that you might have watched a road race on TV or actually been to one once, so I will cut you some slack. in4pwnage ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/25 "2009-02-25T10:40:24Z")
> [@Jackie Chiles](#): > > Have you ever raced anything on a road course? (Trackdays don’t count, but have you ever driven a car or ridden a bike on a trackday?) > > **Yes** > Have you ever held a actual license to race, even on an amateur level? > > **Yes** > Have you been in a race where someone died? > **No** > Has your vehicle ever hit a wall at a road course? > **No** > Ever tended to someone injured and lying on a track after coming into contact with a wall? > **No and neither should you, that is why the men in white are there and why we pay for ambulances at events with you know, trained professionals?** And while I’m sure you’re plenty concerned, last I checked the FIA doesnt just toss safety approvals around for tracks. If it’s good enough for FIA GT it’s good enough for me, and while I applaud the stewards and J. Stewart for spearheading safety advances over the past 40 years, racing, by nature is a DANGEROUS SPORT. If you aren’t comfortable with the fact that you may be maimed, injured and possibly KILLED… don’t do it. ---
**Author:** ![Willybeen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/willybeen/32/7351_2.png) [@Willybeen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Willybeen)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/26 "2009-02-25T11:05:42Z")
Jackie chiles is a good guy, as is mike… I think you both are underestimating each other… I also think you are viewing it from 2 different perspectives, bikes vs cars… Either way, 🍿 ---
**Author:** ![Smaefer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@Smaefer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Smaefer)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/27 "2009-02-25T12:00:49Z")
That is one hell of a track. I would love to take a ride on that… ---
**Author:** ![Silver](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/silver/32/4953_2.png) [@Silver](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Silver)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/28 "2009-02-25T12:27:19Z")
In. ---
**Author:** ![lsvtechatch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@lsvtechatch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/lsvtechatch)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/29 "2009-02-25T12:49:11Z")
> [@Jackie Chiles](#): > > Thanks for the welcome. > > How old are you? > > Have you ever raced anything on a road course? (Trackdays don’t count, but have you ever driven a car or ridden a bike on a trackday?) Have you ever held a actual license to race, even on an amateur level? Have you been in a race where someone died? Has your vehicle ever hit a wall at a road course? Ever tended to someone injured and lying on a track after coming into contact with a wall? > > I figure that you are a total noob but that you might have watched a road race on TV or actually been to one once, so I will cut you some slack. i havent read below this yet, and cant wait for the carnage to ensue! wowzers:picard: ---
**Author:** ![Jackie\_Chiles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@Jackie\_Chiles](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jackie_Chiles)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/30 "2009-02-25T13:05:38Z")
> [@MPD47](#): > > And while I’m sure you’re plenty concerned, last I checked the FIA doesnt just toss safety approvals around for tracks. If it’s good enough for FIA GT it’s good enough for me, and while I applaud the stewards and J. Stewart for spearheading safety advances over the past 40 years, racing, by nature is a DANGEROUS SPORT. If you aren’t comfortable with the fact that you may be maimed, injured and possibly KILLED… don’t do it. Cool, but don’t you agree that if you or your kid were running off a corner at speed that you’d rather have runoff than hit armco or a cement wall? There is a smart way and a stupid way to build a track. This looks like the stupidest modern track around, pretty as it is. I’m not for building soulless tracks like Alan Wilson does. I love the grand old tracks like Mosport, Daytona, Brainerd and the like that I have actually raced on . . . . . .but, again, I’ll take my chances with grassy runoff rather than solid metal or cement walls any day of the week. Some risks I’m willing to accept, but designers of racetracks should at least use some intelligence when considering the cost to man and machinery impacting something hard. You should know that, and I bet you were doing nothing more than being grouchy with a percieved noob. As to Willy’s comment about me being a bike guy, and not a car guy, it is true that I primarily raced bikes on and off since the 70s. Guard rail is an anathema to bike racers I will admit. I am an irregular contributor to the Airfence Fund, a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit that buys inflatable barriers that are but an attempt to cut down the number of fatalities and serious injuries from riders hitting walls and guard rail. But if I race again it will be in a formula car or sports racer and even then I would much rather have runoff than the alternative. Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![Willybeen](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/willybeen/32/7351_2.png) [@Willybeen](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Willybeen)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/31 "2009-02-25T13:52:00Z")
:tup: always classy… \<3 ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/32 "2009-02-25T14:28:33Z")
IMHO Beautiful-Yes Interesting-Yes Impractical-Yes Doesn’t Argentina have a lot tectonic plate activity??? I feel like the maintenance of this track would get overwhelming and pretty costly, but what do I know. ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/33 "2009-02-25T15:02:37Z")
> [@Jackie Chiles](#): > > Cool, but don’t you agree that if you or your kid were running off a corner at speed that you’d rather have runoff than hit armco or a cement wall? > > There is a smart way and a stupid way to build a track. This looks like the stupidest modern track around, pretty as it is. > > I’m not for building soulless tracks like Alan Wilson does. I love the grand old tracks like Mosport, Daytona, Brainerd and the like that I have actually raced on . . . > > . . .but, again, I’ll take my chances with grassy runoff rather than solid metal or cement walls any day of the week. > > Some risks I’m willing to accept, but designers of racetracks should at least use some intelligence when considering the cost to man and machinery impacting something hard. You should know that, and I bet you were doing nothing more than being grouchy with a percieved noob. > > As to Willy’s comment about me being a bike guy, and not a car guy, it is true that I primarily raced bikes on and off since the 70s. Guard rail is an anathema to bike racers I will admit. I am an irregular contributor to the Airfence Fund, a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit that buys inflatable barriers that are but an attempt to cut down the number of fatalities and serious injuries from riders hitting walls and guard rail. But if I race again it will be in a formula car or sports racer and even then I would much rather have runoff than the alternative. > > Cheers. :tup: As Willy said, classy. Much respect. The Glen being my home track, I’m used to just expecting a nice blue streak if I have an off, it’s a risk I accept. Is runoff good? Yes, does it bother me when a track does not have it? No, I don’t really think about it, but I’m fairly young and dumb. I’m also not a bike guy so my cage keeps me at peace of mind. _shrug_ I think the track looks incredible, as I said like bathurst or spa, which to me is just about as close to perfection as possible. And yes, I did fly off the handle on you because of your comment and post count. Once you’ve spent a bit of time and get used to the “usual” idiots that sign up here I think you’ll understand and forgive me for it 😉 ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/34 "2009-02-25T15:07:39Z")
Awwwwwww :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug: ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/35 "2009-02-25T15:09:33Z")
bitter-sweet I wanted to see a brawl, but it is actually refreshing to some good noobs in here. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/36 "2009-02-25T15:10:43Z")
Now with the vetting done, back to the track… ---
**Author:** ![Jackie\_Chiles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@Jackie\_Chiles](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jackie_Chiles)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/37 "2009-02-25T17:27:27Z")
> [@MPD47](#): > > :tup: > > As Willy said, classy. Much respect. > > The Glen being my home track, I’m used to just expecting a nice blue streak if I have an off, it’s a risk I accept. > > Is runoff good? Yes, does it bother me when a track does not have it? No, I don’t really think about it, but I’m fairly young and dumb. I’m also not a bike guy so my cage keeps me at peace of mind. _shrug_ I think the track looks incredible, as I said like bathurst or spa, which to me is just about as close to perfection as possible. > > And yes, I did fly off the handle on you because of your comment and post count. Once you’ve spent a bit of time and get used to the “usual” idiots that sign up here I think you’ll understand and forgive me for it 😉 All is cool. One of the reasons why I hate guard rail and concrete is that young kids who have no sense of their own mortality freely take risks like racing motorcycles around track with huge impact hazards. A very good friend (much younger) is now a quad b/c of an accident like that. But I would probably go to the Glen to run a car track day, treating the track with huge respect (i.e. going very slow), for the sack of driving what is probably one of the top three historic race courses in the US. And btw, the concept of a blue streak on my car, or leathers for that matter, leaves a brown streak in my shorts. :roflpicard: ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/38 "2009-02-25T17:44:21Z")
I’ve had a code brown moment or two at the track… like getting sideways in the kink at Nelson… ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/39 "2009-02-25T17:48:41Z")
Mike, you just lost your ultimate hater title. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MPD47](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mpd47/32/7383_2.png) [@MPD47](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MPD47)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/pretty-incredible-new-racetrack/63478/40 "2009-02-25T17:51:01Z")
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