# Proper way to drive a manual...
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370
**Category:** NYSpeed Automotive
**Created:** [May 27, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370 "2009-05-27T13:45:57Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/61 "2009-05-27T15:22:46Z")
I don’t drive a semi, I drive a car
I have no idea what an allison 6speed is.
Why is relevant?
you suck at a 3 -\> 2 downshift and you’re gonna sit here and tell ME how to drive a car? Fucking laughable. Learn to think on your own, not do what truck drivers do.
You do realize the shear amount of weight they carry right? And the fact that the braking system on a semi is WAYYYY different than the hydraulic system in your car right AND that the clutch/transmission setups are completely different as well?
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### Author:  [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/62 "2009-05-27T15:31:28Z")
lol its still raging on … lol
put squeaky brakes on your car and you’ll appreciate engine braking lol…
LOL at rev match from 3-\>2 I go from 3 -\>1 2-\>1 all the time on the street lol.
on the track lol never less than 2nd gear lol
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### Author:  [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/63 "2009-05-27T15:43:36Z")
meh, I am about done. deebo sucks, at least you bring some actual knowledge and facts to the table.
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### Author:  [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/64 "2009-05-27T17:00:36Z")
> [@theblue](#):
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> :banghead:
> [@theblue](#):
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> tires stop a car… they’re always the limiting factor unless your brakes are overheated. hence why people like newman don’t need big brakes for anything more than ballin points.
> [@ILC](#):
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> the only thing i can think of in renzo defense is a slightly different weight distribution lol… unless he is running on rcomp tires and the stock brakes can lock them up!..
Dude you have to engine brake in order to stop this freight train from 190mph.
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### Author:  [@Saxon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Saxon)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/65 "2009-05-27T17:30:14Z")
i was always taught that its cheaper to replace brake pads than it is to replace motors, which is why i rarely engine brake
with a synchronized transmission, using the clutch is always the right thing to do
also starting a car w/o the clutch depressed is better for the motor/thrust bearings (although all newer cars have a clutch switch that prevents this)
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### Author:  [@ugo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ugo)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/66 "2009-05-27T18:12:16Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#):
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> Guys, engines are not for braking. Brakes are for braking.
I guess you never drove a diesel tractor/semi with a Jake brake?
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### Author:  [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/67 "2009-05-27T18:14:02Z")
> [@ugo](#):
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> I guess you never drove a diesel tractor/semi with a Jake brake?
I drive a little red sports car…
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### Author:  [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/68 "2009-05-27T18:16:07Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#):
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> I don’t drive a semi, I drive a car
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> I have no idea what an allison 6speed is.
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> Why is relevant?
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> you suck at a 3 -\> 2 downshift and you’re gonna sit here and tell ME how to drive a car? Fucking laughable. Learn to think on your own, not do what truck drivers do.
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> You do realize the shear amount of weight they carry right? And the fact that the braking system on a semi is WAYYYY different than the hydraulic system in your car right AND that the clutch/transmission setups are completely different as well?
I Also have an 8lbs flywheel you stupid fuck. It makes rev matching a bitch
IT IS RELEVANT BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU SHOULDN’T ENGINE BRAKE TO SLOW DOWN YOUR CAR. ARE YOU REALLY RETARDED OR JUST KIND OF?
I’m convinced that you’re stupid. I’m still waiting for you to come up here so a gsr can pull your homo ass female car.
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### Author:  [@LXIFLYBY](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LXIFLYBY)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/69 "2009-05-27T18:24:47Z")
rev matching is the best way to minimize syncro and clutch wear. I drive heavy trucks by shifting without clutching (esp unsyncronized transmissions), but honestly in syncronized transmissions its hard on syncronizers even if it doesnt grind. Double clutching is not nessesary on syncronized transmissions but it will be easier on the syncronizers than regular shifting. If you are skipping gears on say, an upshift, say going from 2nd to 4th, you should go into 3rd momentarily then to 4th before you let out the clutch, it will be much easier on the syncronizers. Also at red lights, put the car in neutral and take your foot off the clutch, the thousands of pounds of force on the engines thrust bearings is not a good thing to do continuously if you dont have to.
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### Author:  [@Hass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hass)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/70 "2009-05-27T18:28:17Z")
mhmmmm.
interesting.
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### Author:  [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/71 "2009-05-27T18:31:20Z")
> [@deebo](#):
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> I Also have an 8lbs flywheel you stupid fuck. It makes rev matching a bitch
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> IT IS RELEVANT BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU SHOULDN’T ENGINE BRAKE TO SLOW DOWN YOUR CAR. ARE YOU REALLY RETARDED OR JUST KIND OF?
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> I’m convinced that you’re stupid. I’m still waiting for you to come up here so a gsr can pull your homo ass female car.
OMG, an 8 lb. flywheel really? I had the same shit, and a pretty aggresive clutch on my turbo hatch too.
It’s not THAT bad. You are just a little bitch.
I still would love to hear your explanation on the whole semi truck/ “allison 6speed” argument. Hearing this apples to oranges explanation should be good.
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### Author:  [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/72 "2009-05-27T18:40:16Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#):
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> I am just stubborn
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> Like I said, we are in agreement with everything. I agree if you rev-match the downshift, you won’t wear the clutch. I also agree that the engine will provide a decent amount of stopping power. I just prefer to use my brakes when I slow down, so that I am not putting that much stress on drivetrain parts.
> [@boardjnky4](#):
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> I agree, but you get the same(or better) results from USING YOUR FUCKING BRAKES though.
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> I think we are in agreement here, but I just don’t see the point in putting undue stress on your powertrain. It’s not cheap stuff to fix, brake pads are dirt cheap.
> [@ugo](#):
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> I guess you never drove a diesel tractor/semi with a Jake brake?
> [@boardjnky4](#):
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> I drive a little red sports car…
> [@LXIFLYBY](#):
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> rev matching is the best way to minimize syncro and clutch wear. I drive heavy trucks by shifting without clutching (esp unsyncronized transmissions), but honestly in syncronized transmissions its hard on syncronizers even if it doesnt grind. Double clutching is not nessesary on syncronized transmissions but it will be easier on the syncronizers than regular shifting. If you are skipping gears on say, an upshift, say going from 2nd to 4th, you should go into 3rd momentarily then to 4th before you let out the clutch, it will be much easier on the syncronizers. Also at red lights, put the car in neutral and take your foot off the clutch, the thousands of pounds of force on the engines thrust bearings is not a good thing to do continuously if you dont have to.
READ. Or are you not good at it.
And by sucking, it means that it is not as smooth as a 5-4, 4-3, because you are in a HIGHER rpm at a LOWER speed and there is more movement because of this. :picard:
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### Author:  [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/73 "2009-05-27T18:49:12Z")
yeah, you are retarded, and obviously have NOTHING constructive to add. No facts at all posted by you. No argument besides calling me retarded.
alrighty then
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### Author:  [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/74 "2009-05-27T18:57:03Z")
Why would i have to repost facts, when they are there?
:picard: :retard:
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### Author:  [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/75 "2009-05-27T19:03:04Z")
I said that I do not engine brake because I believe that it puts undue stress on drivetrain parts. It is my belief that brakes should be used to slow you down, engine makes you go.
Post facts as to why the engine braking stress is negligible or GTFO.
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### Author:  [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/76 "2009-05-27T19:14:42Z")
where did i say it was negligible? i never said that
i also never said that you shouldn’t be using brakes, or that engine braking is better
i told you where it was needed, and you said that it shouldn’t be used at all.
:picard:
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### Author:  [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/77 "2009-05-27T19:27:12Z")
> [@deebo](#):
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> DUDE GET TEH FUCKIN FBOD CHIPPED FOR NO LIFT TO SHIFT!!!
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> So much fail in this thread :picard:
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> the best thing to do is practice in a parking lot,
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> i had really NO CLUE at all how to drive stick, i couldnt figure out how to put it in 5th :lol: 75 @ 6k is not fun on zee highway
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> i would just cruise around town for 2 hours and practice driving lol
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> i still suck on the 3-2 rev match tho :meh:
> [@deebo](#):
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> lol. are you fucking retarded?
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> ever drive next to a semi truck?
> ever drive in an allison 6speed?
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> :picard:
> [@deebo](#):
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> I Also have an 8lbs flywheel you stupid fuck. It makes rev matching a bitch
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> IT IS RELEVANT BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU SHOULDN’T ENGINE BRAKE TO SLOW DOWN YOUR CAR. ARE YOU REALLY RETARDED OR JUST KIND OF?
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> I’m convinced that you’re stupid. I’m still waiting for you to come up here so a gsr can pull your homo ass female car.
> [@deebo](#):
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> READ. Or are you not good at it.
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> And by sucking, it means that it is not as smooth as a 5-4, 4-3, because you are in a HIGHER rpm at a LOWER speed and there is more movement because of this. :picard:
> [@deebo](#):
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> Why would i have to repost facts, when they are there?
> :picard: :retard:
> [@deebo](#):
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> where did i say it was negligible? i never said that
> i also never said that you shouldn’t be using brakes, or that engine braking is better
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> i told you where it was needed, and you said that it shouldn’t be used at all.
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> :picard:
the only thing you DID, was act like a dick
that is EVERY post of yours in this thread, all you did was spew hate
it’s important to note that conversation is was started in reference to a conventional 5/6 speed transmission. I don’t give a shit about semi trucks, I don’t drive one. I have never heard of an “allison” transmission. I am just going to assume it is some sort of dogbox, which are all built differently than a traditional transmission.
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### Author:  [@Jack](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jack)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/78 "2009-05-27T19:28:33Z")
1. The OP drives an F-Body. Engine braking will cause more harm than good. Don’t ever do it unless driving conditions (like snow) prevent you from applying the brakes as hard as you might like. Sometimes braking the rear more than the front will put you into a controlled slide (drift) instead of an uncontrollable slide… which more braking will make worse. You will not be able to steer if the front tires are locked up.
2. Rev matching is always healthier for your transmission than not. Not something you need to practice or even perform on a regular basis. If you’re about to roll race on the 990… and you’re getting up to speed in a taller gear and want to maintain your speed but pick a shorter gear, rev-matching should be used here.
3. When towing a heavy load truckers often use their engines to assist them in slowing down by engine braking. Your typical pickup truck does not have the proper hardware for “safer” engine braking, though they can still do it with minimal harm to the motor or transmission. If the vehicle is equipped with the proper hardware, like an exhaust brake, they can generate over 100hp in braking force, just from the engine. Essentially turning the motor into an “air pump” (as if it wasn’t already) that takes the rotational force of the drive axle and uses it to force air through the motor, instead of the combustion stroke. Pulling a large load and trying to stop with only your brakes is stupid and dangerous. Brakes can overheat and fail completely. Your motor, even if it overheats, will still perform as a brake in a stopping emergency.
The only reasons I’ve ever engine braked in a small vehicle with no load was to compliment shitty brakes, lock up the rear end to induce a slide (no e-brake) or to troubleshoot particular drivetrain problems.
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### Author:  [@ILC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ILC)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/79 "2009-05-27T19:33:03Z")
Why are we locking up the rear with engine braking… Even going from 6th gear 67mph to 2nd gear 8K rpm… the rear end won’t lock up when you rev match…
Seriously, if you really think there is any bad to downshifting and rev matching you are clearly retarded. There is no harm involve from just down shifting, rev matching and coasting down.
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### Author:  [@Minglor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Minglor)
#### Post date: [May 27, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/proper-way-to-drive-a-manual/68370/80 "2009-05-27T19:34:28Z")
This thread is full of awesome.
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