# purposed 2005 draft
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125
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**Created:** [June 14, 2004, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125 "2004-06-14T14:39:32Z")
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### Author:  [@Quik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quik)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2004, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/1 "2004-06-14T14:39:32Z")
Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005
The Draft will Start in June 2005
There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program’s initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 – just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public’s attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately.
$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: [www.sss.gov/perfplan\_fy2004.html](http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html) to view the sss annual performance plan - fiscal year 2004.
The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide… Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld’s prediction of a “long, hard slog” in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on “terrorism”] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.
Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year, [http://www.hslda.org/legislation/na...s89/default.asp](http://www.hslda.org/legislation/na...s89/default.asp) entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, “to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18–26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.” These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services.
Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era.
College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a “smart border declaration,” which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada’s minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a “pre-clearance agreement” of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.
Even those voters who currently support US actions abroad may still object to this move, knowing their own children or grandchildren will not have a say about whether to fight. Not that it should make a difference, but this plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a
shelter and includes women in the draft.
The public has a right to air their opinions about such an important decision.
Please send this on to all the friends, parents, aunts and uncles, grandparents, and cousins that you know. Let your children know too – it’s their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change!
Please also contact your representatives to ask them why they aren’t telling their constituents about these bills – and contact newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they’re not covering this important story.
[http://www.congress.org/congressorg](http://www.congress.org/congressorg)…=ua\_congressorg
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### Author:  [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2004, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/2 "2004-06-14T14:56:55Z")
boring
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### Author:  [@Bravada\_442](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bravada_442)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2004, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/3 "2004-06-14T15:19:03Z")
How old are you Shaggy? Have any kids or friends that could possibly be effected by a selective service renewal?
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### Author:  [@slowcamaro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slowcamaro)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2004, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/4 "2004-06-14T15:38:57Z")
it will not pass
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### Author:  [@taco](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/taco)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2004, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/5 "2004-06-14T17:04:25Z")
The draft won’t happen. But if that email forward story that you copy pasted here gets enough young people to the polls to vote against bush I’m all for that.
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### Author:  [@Shaggy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shaggy)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2004, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/6 "2004-06-14T17:11:02Z")
> [@Bravada 442](#):
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> How old are you Shaggy? Have any kids or friends that could possibly be effected by a selective service renewal?
i would be effected and could careless if i had to go, It doesnt matter.
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### Author:  [@slowcamaro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slowcamaro)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2004, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/7 "2004-06-14T17:29:32Z")
Pussies
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### Author:  [@Jeff95TA](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jeff95TA)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2004, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/8 "2004-06-14T18:28:33Z")
Form your own opinion. Here’s one:
> **[FACT CHECK: Draft Fear](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/draft-fear/)**
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> Will the U.S. military be reinstating the draft by Spring 2005?
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### Author:  [@thefranchise](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/thefranchise)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2004, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/9 "2004-06-14T19:14:57Z")
boy i hope they dont draft me!
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### Author:  [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2004, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/10 "2004-06-14T20:00:46Z")
I dont believe there is no such law that prevents one from going on a nice long visit to Jamaica. 🆒
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### Author:  [@Black\_WS6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Black_WS6)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2004, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/11 "2004-06-14T20:14:46Z")
> [@Darkstar](#):
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> I dont believe there is no such law that prevents one from going on a nice long visit to Jamaica. 🆒
I don’t think we need a draft at this time, and you are a big pussy.
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### Author:  [@slowcamaro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slowcamaro)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2004, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/12 "2004-06-14T20:15:27Z")
> [@Black\_WS6](#):
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> I don’t think we need a draft at this time, and you are a big pussy.
x2
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### Author:  [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2004, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/13 "2004-06-14T20:21:20Z")
> [@Black\_WS6](#):
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> I don’t think we need a draft at this time, and you are a big pussy.
Jamaica \> Iraq.
If this were a real war, then It would be a totally different story. This war is based on political connotations. If Iraq had launched an attack on the US, then that would be different.
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### Author:  [@slowcamaro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slowcamaro)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2004, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/14 "2004-06-14T20:22:31Z")
dont forget the US is still in afganstain and kosvo…it is not all about Iraq
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### Author:  [@EcoThunder](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/EcoThunder)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2004, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/15 "2004-06-14T20:28:39Z")
Well, call me a die-hard American, but I would be more than happy to go if I was helping to protect my country. And Taco…since Kerry plans on cutting military spending and getting rid of every weapon we have to defend ourselves…and then we get in trouble…the draft would definately be inevitable: We would need every person alive. Except we would all die anyway, because all we would have to defend ourselves with would be our bare hands
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### Author:  [@slowcamaro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slowcamaro)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2004, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/16 "2004-06-14T20:39:07Z")
well if you are for opr against the military you have to support the troops…
so here it is kerry voted down flack vests with armour for the military…its a shame that soldiers go out and buy there own…
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### Author:  [@thefranchise](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/thefranchise)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2004, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/17 "2004-06-14T21:36:20Z")
> [@slowcamaro](#):
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> well if you are for opr against the military you have to support the troops…
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> so here it is kerry voted down flack vests with armour for the military…its a shame that soldiers go out and buy there own…
plz get facts straight; Kerry (and many others) didnt vote against flack vests and weapons; they voted against having the majority of middle and low middle class americans front the bill when they could use the money to feed themselves. Instead the wealthy 5% should front the bill more so. and thats how it was voted on.
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### Author:  [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2004, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/18 "2004-06-15T06:25:19Z")
That’s why I love this country, you have a choice. I choose not to go fight wars and some people choose to go fight. I would never leave my wife and kids to go fight a war. My kids are more important to me than anything else in this world, even living in this country. But there are people like my 2 brothers who joined and have their country 1st and their family 2nd. I could never do that. my brother is on TDY \>250 days a year and his kids barely know him. i get pissed when I have to leave for work in the morning. It’s a different mindset, and I bet that most people in the military right now would oppose the draft for the reason that if someone doesn’t want to be there, it would do more harm than good to force people to be in a combat situation
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### Author:  [@thefranchise](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/thefranchise)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2004, 6:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/19 "2004-06-15T06:37:57Z")
ask any guy after DDay 60 years ago if they would have rather had the choice to stay home with wife and kids or fight. its not that you want to do it, its a duty you owe for living here and for your kids and wife to live here. freedom surely isnt free.
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### Author:  [@fshowcars](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fshowcars)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2004, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/purposed-2005-draft/167125/20 "2004-06-15T07:12:55Z")
> [@thefranchise](#):
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> its a duty you owe for living here and for your kids and wife to live here.
nope… those are taxes…
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