# R32 GTR Wheels on S13 (16x8 +30) **URL:** \ **Category:** SON240sx Automotive\ **Created:** [September 20, 2007, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640 "2007-09-20T11:34:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/41 "2007-09-23T20:26:26Z")
sasha isn’t tubed and doesnt have anything that isnt off-the-shelf in the front suspension. SPL outters, Cusco TC rods, stock LCA’s, Stance coils etc. ---
**Author:** ![duckJAI](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/duckjai/32/5553_2.png) [@duckJAI](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/duckJAI)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/42 "2007-09-23T20:28:37Z")
^^ tubbed wheel wells is the same as banging your wells with a sledge (unless i remember wrong but thats wat he told me he did to accomodate his big tires) ---
**Author:** ![duckJAI](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/duckjai/32/5553_2.png) [@duckJAI](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/duckJAI)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/43 "2007-09-23T20:32:21Z")
i think the real question is. what is handling? define that and go from there. talking about anything else is useless and meaningless since thats where all this is coming from. ---
**Author:** ![AppleSauce](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/applesauce/32/5521_2.png) [@AppleSauce](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AppleSauce)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/44 "2007-09-23T20:34:34Z")
Tubbing ![http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/joeuser/40533065.jpg](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/joeuser/40533065.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/45 "2007-09-23T20:36:29Z")
> [@2006 NYSPEED BBQ Location](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2006-nyspeed-bbq-location/14188/13): > > ^^ tubbed wheel wells is the same as banging your wells with a sledge (unless i remember wrong but thats wat he told me he did to accomodate his big tires) dude… not even on the same plane of existence. tubbed VVV if you can do that with a sledge hammer then let me know if you are free tomorrow night. ---
**Author:** ![jammin1911](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a9a28c/32.png) [@jammin1911](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jammin1911)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/46 "2007-09-23T20:38:33Z")
ok, maybe i dont know what a quick steering rack is but my understanding is that it has NOTHING to do with steering angle… thats what tie rod spacers are for. a quick steering rack means that you have a closer ratio of steering wheels rotation to tire rotation. for example, if you have your steering wheel in the center position with your tires pointing straight ahead and you start to turn to the left - it might take about 1.5 turns of the steering wheel to turn your wheels all the way to the left, say for examples sake that is 45 degrees to the left. (I’m just making these numbers up for explaination purposes). A quick steering rack could turn that 1.5 turns of the steering wheel to reach 45 degrees of tire angle in to only 0.75 degrees of steering, but its still only 45 degrees of actual tire angle. this is why i say human limitation - a human is only capable of turn a steering wheel from full lock to the left to full lock to the right as a certain speed when it takes 2.5 full rotations from lock to lock. but if you change that in to 1.5 rotations from full lock to full lock the same human can do it a lot faster. this is why a quick ratio steering rack’s only real benefit is to compensate for human limitations… it does not improve handling, turning radius, etc. again, this is my understanding - if I am wrong please forgive me (and correct me). ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/47 "2007-09-23T20:39:43Z")
john, samson… you guys both need to stop posting about this stuff. you’re going to confuse alot of people that might take what you are posting as fact rather than dialogue. ---
**Author:** ![duckJAI](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/duckjai/32/5553_2.png) [@duckJAI](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/duckJAI)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/48 "2007-09-23T20:39:55Z")
> [@Tattoo ANYTHING you want...on Beck.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tattoo-anything-you-want-on-beck/14137/45): > > if you can do that with a sledge hammer then let me know if you are free tomorrow night. mang, why do you think my name is Samson? better recognize ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/49 "2007-09-23T20:43:49Z")
to be honest… you guys are wrong all over the place, but i dont have the background to prove it. i am sure sasha or mr. awesome (take a guess who i mean) will eventually post the e-quivalent to a smack down sometime soon. > [@F.S. Parting out my 1g (R.I.P.)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/f-s-parting-out-my-1g-r-i-p/14046/14): > > mang, why do you think my name is Samson? > > better recognize > [@A Little Bird Told Me..](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-little-bird-told-me/13973/26): > > bring it on samson 😃 cause of that. ---
**Author:** ![duckJAI](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/duckjai/32/5553_2.png) [@duckJAI](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/duckJAI)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/50 "2007-09-23T20:48:13Z")
id be happy to hear a more sophisticated explanation to this. all in all, this all started to when i said handling will go to shit. i still stand by that as my definition of handling is the responsiveness of the car and how it takes the input of the driver and also send feedback to the driver, ie. allowing the driver to feel the road. whatever, i just wanna drive lol enough of this internet racing talk or watever you want to call it. ---
**Author:** ![white240](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/white240/32/5651_2.png) [@white240](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/white240)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/51 "2007-09-23T21:15:21Z")
Regardless…I wish a certain _someone_ was here to prove everyone wrong, and prove infact that a stock ford taurus would decimate any 240 on the track, any day. ---
**Author:** ![Fobwall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7ea924/32.png) [@Fobwall](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fobwall)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/52 "2007-09-23T21:41:31Z")
> **[Automobile handling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_handling)** > > Automobile handling and vehicle handling are descriptions of the way a wheeled vehicle responds and reacts to the inputs of a driver, as well as how it moves along a track or road. It is commonly judged by how a vehicle performs particularly during cornering, acceleration, and braking as well as on the vehicle's directional stability when moving in steady state condition. In the automotive industry, handling and braking are the major components of a vehicle's "active" safety, as well as its abili... ---
**Author:** ![duckJAI](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/duckjai/32/5553_2.png) [@duckJAI](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/duckJAI)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2007, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/53 "2007-09-23T22:04:00Z")
- 1 Factors that affect a car’s handling o 1.1 Driver o 1.2 Familiarity o 1.3 Weather o 1.4 Road condition o 1.5 Weight distribution + 1.5.1 Center of gravity height + 1.5.2 Center of gravity forward or back + 1.5.3 Roll angular inertia + 1.5.4 Yaw and pitch angular inertia (polar moment) o 1.6 Suspension o 1.7 Tires and wheels o 1.8 Track and wheelbase o 1.9 Unsprung weight o 1.10 Aerodynamics o 1.11 Delivery of power to the wheels and brakes o 1.12 Position and support for the driver **o 1.13 Steering** o 1.14 Suspension travel o 1.15 Electronic stability control o 1.16 Alignment of the wheels o 1.17 Rigidity of the frame - 2 Common handling problems - 3 Compromises - 4 Aftermarket modifications and adjustments to affect handling - 5 Cars with unusual handling problems - 6 See also - 7 References - 8 External links ---
**Author:** ![jammin1911](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a9a28c/32.png) [@jammin1911](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jammin1911)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2007, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/54 "2007-09-24T20:11:01Z")
no seriously, i want to know if im right or wrong about the quick steering rack thing 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![duckJAI](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/duckjai/32/5553_2.png) [@duckJAI](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/duckJAI)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2007, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/55 "2007-09-24T20:24:42Z")
^^ i think you are right big guy. i didn’t understand what you mean’t by human restriction, but i get you now i had the tie rod spacer in mind WITH quick rack as well i stand corrected on this steering rack discussion ---
**Author:** ![DJPyro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/278dde/32.png) [@DJPyro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DJPyro)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2007, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/56 "2007-09-24T20:33:55Z")
Yes, quick ratio steering simply makes it so you reach lock in fewer turns than normal. Does nothing for steering angle. ---
**Author:** ![Lucidsnow](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lucidsnow/32/5538_2.png) [@Lucidsnow](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Lucidsnow)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2007, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/57 "2007-09-24T20:40:26Z")
> [@Tattoo ANYTHING you want...on Beck.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/tattoo-anything-you-want-on-beck/14137/45): > > dude…if you can do that with a sledge hammer then let me know if you are free tomorrow night. > [@F.S. Parting out my 1g (R.I.P.)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/f-s-parting-out-my-1g-r-i-p/14046/14): > > mang, why do you think my name is Samson? > > better recognize AHAHAHA that samson is a rival opponent for even hercules himself! he killed many philistines…even spartans are no match! ---
**Author:** ![Cal](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cal/32/5505_2.png) [@Cal](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cal)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/58 "2007-09-27T16:57:54Z")
Hey John - **Work Meister S1** **$2,400.00** 18x11-7 5h 18x13-37 5h will clear big caliper [http://www.rbwheels.com/index.php?main\_page=product\_info&products\_id=276](http://www.rbwheels.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=276) ---
**Author:** ![jammin1911](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a9a28c/32.png) [@jammin1911](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jammin1911)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/59 "2007-09-27T19:48:10Z")
hot ;] ---
**Author:** ![240SXtacy](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/240sxtacy/32/5549_2.png) [@240SXtacy](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/240SXtacy)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2007, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640/60 "2007-09-27T23:12:39Z")
> [@2006 NYSPEED BBQ Location](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/2006-nyspeed-bbq-location/14188/15): > > i am sure sasha or mr. awesome (take a guess who i mean) will eventually post the e-quivalent to a smack down sometime soon. a\_ahmed? [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/r32-gtr-wheels-on-s13-16x8-30/109640.md?page=2)