# Racing Seatbelt Harness 4-point and HOW TO 'PROPERLY' attach **URL:** \ **Category:** SON240sx Automotive\ **Created:** [January 24, 2005, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/racing-seatbelt-harness-4-point-and-how-to-properly-attach/83216 "2005-01-24T18:42:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alesserfate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f6c823/32.png) [@alesserfate](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/alesserfate)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/racing-seatbelt-harness-4-point-and-how-to-properly-attach/83216/1 "2005-01-24T18:42:29Z")
hey guys i was just wondering whats the best way to attach a racing harness safely so if u get into an accident it wont damage your body/spine, anyone got suggestions ? is bolting it to the seat mounts legit ? thanks. ---
**Author:** ![SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SHIFT_KA24DET)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/racing-seatbelt-harness-4-point-and-how-to-properly-attach/83216/2 "2005-01-24T19:56:25Z")
Weld in a Harness Bar ---
**Author:** ![newbieracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e47c2d/32.png) [@newbieracer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newbieracer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2005, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/racing-seatbelt-harness-4-point-and-how-to-properly-attach/83216/3 "2005-01-24T20:11:16Z")
The straps that are bolted down in the reaR must be parellel to your sholders, Not slanting down, Old seat belt mounting points is a no no, I am removing my harness this weekend untell i can get a harness bar. ---
**Author:** ![alesserfate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f6c823/32.png) [@alesserfate](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/alesserfate)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/racing-seatbelt-harness-4-point-and-how-to-properly-attach/83216/4 "2005-01-25T18:48:37Z")
can the harness bar be the rear strut tower bar ? ---
**Author:** ![kaon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/919ad9/32.png) [@kaon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kaon)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/racing-seatbelt-harness-4-point-and-how-to-properly-attach/83216/5 "2005-01-25T18:58:23Z")
i have heard that is not the greatest idea. but don’t the cops make you mount your harness to the stock points? ---
**Author:** ![alesserfate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f6c823/32.png) [@alesserfate](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/alesserfate)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/racing-seatbelt-harness-4-point-and-how-to-properly-attach/83216/6 "2005-01-25T19:00:46Z")
as long as you wear the stock seat belt as well they dont care, i will buy a 90’ s13 harness bar if anyone has one, after all, safety’s important ---
**Author:** ![GT1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5e925/32.png) [@GT1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/GT1)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/racing-seatbelt-harness-4-point-and-how-to-properly-attach/83216/7 "2005-01-25T19:01:58Z")
no one makes one. im doing mine custom actually and for god sakes dont mount the harness to the strut bar. GT ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_SG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sasha_sg/32/5477_2.png) [@Sasha\_SG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sasha_SG)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/racing-seatbelt-harness-4-point-and-how-to-properly-attach/83216/8 "2005-01-25T21:24:39Z")
I’ve seen them floor mounted at pretty extreme angles, its ok if your shoulders are below the openings in the seat. Most harness and seat companies do not recomend more than a 45 degree downward slope however. ---
**Author:** ![Bero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@Bero](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bero)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/racing-seatbelt-harness-4-point-and-how-to-properly-attach/83216/9 "2005-01-25T21:35:49Z")
i have heard that mounting to the stock rears in a 240 isnt bad i guess as long as you havea high quality seat, and properly bolt in the mounts to the stock mounts, you should be ok ---
**Author:** ![SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SHIFT_KA24DET)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/racing-seatbelt-harness-4-point-and-how-to-properly-attach/83216/10 "2005-01-25T22:34:15Z")
> [@Bero](#): > > i have heard that mounting to the stock rears in a 240 isnt bad > i guess as long as you havea high quality seat, and properly bolt in the mounts to the stock mounts, you should be ok Would you Trust your life to a $30 ebay special bomz racing strut bar? Or a $150 welded in solid pice of steel? Think about it dude… Your life depends on that harness…, ---
**Author:** ![Bero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@Bero](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bero)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/racing-seatbelt-harness-4-point-and-how-to-properly-attach/83216/11 "2005-01-25T22:36:43Z")
i was refering to te stock rear seatbelt mounting position… not the strutbar i have seen it done successfully… but i agree that a harness bar is the best option ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_SG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sasha_sg/32/5477_2.png) [@Sasha\_SG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sasha_SG)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/racing-seatbelt-harness-4-point-and-how-to-properly-attach/83216/12 "2005-01-26T09:38:46Z")
[http://www.sparcousa.com/resourceFiles/16.pdf](http://www.sparcousa.com/resourceFiles/16.pdf) sorry I was wrong about the 0-45 degrees, I must have read that on another page, clearly try to make it as square as possible. ---
**Author:** ![TM1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tm1/32/5517_2.png) [@TM1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TM1)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/racing-seatbelt-harness-4-point-and-how-to-properly-attach/83216/13 "2005-01-26T09:49:19Z")
If you don’t have a cage, or rollover protection, and you have a harness attached to the floor, and the car rolls over, the harness will keep you locked into the upright position. Unforuneately when the roof caves in, the only thing holding the roof up will be your neck and spinal columb. This means if you DONT HAVE ROLL OVER PROTECTION, and you have a harness, it can KILL YOU… Use you head… Ugh… ---
**Author:** ![iQuAGoD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f05b48/32.png) [@iQuAGoD](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/iQuAGoD)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/racing-seatbelt-harness-4-point-and-how-to-properly-attach/83216/14 "2005-01-26T09:55:35Z")
I am tired of telling people this, thats why I didn’t post. With a 3 way belt like comes stock, your body can move to the center of the car. With a 4+ point harness you’re held straight up and the roof will own your neck and spine. Futhermore if you mount the seatbelt at too high of an angle, any sort of front end impact will result in spinal damage, as the seatbelt will compress you downwards into your seat, rather than simply keeping you from moving forward. If you want to be held in your seat better just get a better seat, and lock the belt with a quick tug before you start driving. ---
**Author:** ![iQuAGoD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f05b48/32.png) [@iQuAGoD](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/iQuAGoD)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/racing-seatbelt-harness-4-point-and-how-to-properly-attach/83216/15 "2005-01-26T09:57:55Z")
To reiterate the point made by any knowledgable members of this forum. **You cannot safely wear a harness without a ROLL BAR.** Locked.