# Rauh Welt **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [January 3, 2009, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rauh-welt/241140 "2009-01-03T15:21:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 60
**Author:** ![Mafdark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mafdark/32/6322_2.png) [@Mafdark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mafdark)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rauh-welt/241140/60 "2009-02-08T12:24:49Z")
> [@Why do Grand Am owners think their car is fast?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/why-do-grand-am-owners-think-their-car-is-fast/13289/57): > > The point is the wheel, or source of force against the suspension from the road, is further away than stock, or the point at which the suspension was designed to work from. What exactly is the source of force against the suspension then? Thats what I’m not getting… center of wheel? outside edge? inside edge? What do you work with there? --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rauh-welt/241140)._