# RE: Wikileaks Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** PolitiSUCK\ **Created:** [July 7, 2010, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519 "2010-07-07T09:57:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2010, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/41 "2010-07-07T20:48:21Z")
> [@Freek](#): > > the lives of the good guys(coalition forces) are at stake then yes it takes precedence. all men are created equal? > [@Freek](#): > > He’s an ignorant idiotic dumb ass who betrayed his country. i am sure there is a very very large portion of the US that disagrees with that. the very fact that wikileaks exists is an indication. i do understand the logic behind it though. i guess it comes down to whether the military is the means or the ends… ---------- Post added at 11:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:41 PM ---------- > [@Onyx Z32](#): > > I’m debating the validity Wikileak’s position. And since you **can’t refute my points** , you’re trying to turn the conversation to the “greater debate” of the war 😉 i’m pretty sure that is exactly what i did by bringing into question the entire situation… not just each little point inside it 😉 whatever anyways… dead horse… we all get to ignore it and go to work tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Freek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/freek/32/7357_2.png) [@Freek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Freek)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2010, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/42 "2010-07-07T20:56:00Z")
> [@bing](#): > > all men are created equal? This is a constant internal debate I have with myself. This is also a question that can open up many other cans of worms. > [@bing](#): > > i am sure there is a very very large portion of the US that disagrees with that. the very fact that wikileaks exists is an indication. i do understand the logic behind it though. > > i guess it comes down to whether the military is the means or the ends… I’m also sure that a very very large portion of the US and beyond is just plain ignorant and has no clue of that complete facts. That’s why smart people are better than everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2010, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/43 "2010-07-07T20:58:21Z")
> [@bing](#): > > … i’m pretty sure that is exactly what i did by bringing into question the entire situation… not just each little point inside it 😉 Not exactly; So Wikileak’s claim that innocent people were murdered in cold blood, their ignorance of the facts and insults to the military are justified simply because you don’t think the war was justified? ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/44 "2010-07-07T21:08:36Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > Not exactly; So Wikileak’s claim that innocent people were murdered in cold blood, their ignorance of the facts and insults to the military are justified simply because you don’t think the war was justified? it’s a necessary counterpoint. and it’s not ignorance, it’s a disagreement. That’s like saying driving de-catted cars are driven by people ignorant to environmental concerns… when in fact it’s really that we just don’t give a shit… it’s not that we don’t know what the score is ---------- Post added at 12:08 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:03 AM ---------- > [@Onyx Z32](#): > > Sur > You can also use the “step back” argument to say we liberated a country wait… i missed that 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![cougarspeed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cougarspeed/32/7468_2.png) [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/45 "2010-07-07T21:17:08Z")
So all deaths by guns are in cold blood cause people know bullets kill? lol ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/46 "2010-07-07T21:17:40Z")
> [@bing](#): > > it’s a necessary counterpoint. > > and it’s not ignorance, it’s a disagreement. > > That’s like saying driving de-catted cars are driven by people ignorant to environmental concerns… when in fact it’s really that we just don’t give a shit… it’s not that we don’t know what the score is lol, 'cmon it doesn’t counter any points - it’s you saying it’s cool if they lie about it because the lie agrees with your opinion. If it’s a disagreement, then which of these facts can they or you disagree with; > [@Onyx Z32](#): > > 1. Reporters hanging out with clearly armed people (confirmed.) > 2. Reporters not wearing required press-identification gear > 3. Reporters and armed dudes moving around only blocks away from American soldiers > 4. Reporter aims his uber long lens at hummers which are part of the American convoy (You can see the picture he took with that camera in the video) > 5. Support chopper, who’s job it is to protect the soldiers, mistakes the reporters uber long lens for an RPG (Yeah, bad call but they’ve already seen others with weapons) > 6. People die They make claims ignorant of all of the above. ---
**Author:** ![08GT500](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/08gt500/32/5417_2.png) [@08GT500](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/08GT500)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/47 "2010-07-07T22:47:22Z")
> [@Jesse Jericho](#): > > lol right because this guy is the real criminal, not the murderers he is exposing 😛 > > here’s to hoping 50 more take his place Because that would be for the greater good? Get the facts straight. Attempt to understand the reason for classified military information before posting this non sense. > [@Onyx Z32](#): > > lol, isn’t the whole chopper video “settled science” by now? There is a reason almost all news sources have stopped talking about it with credibility… but for those still unaware, the Wikileaks video ignored the parts of the video that showed the “innocent” people carrying AK47’s and RPGs clearly before they were fired on, and the chopper pilot clearly saying “Hey, these guys have weapons” … > > [https://youtu.be/1fFt1YOfMfY](https://youtu.be/1fFt1YOfMfY) > > You can legitimately debate whether or not the military should be there or not, but like it or not it’s still a warzone. And if you’re a cameraman hanging out with armed dudes, not wearing your journalist-identification gear, you’re risking your life. > > That said, I can’t wait to see what they “leak” next 🙂 They were armed not only with assault rifles but RPGs that pose a serious threat to the helo. Lethal force was justified. End of story. > [@Freek](#): > > He committed treason … The punishment for which is death by hanging. Which I think he deserves. > > Other than that … talking about military anything with Canadians is a futile argument. They(the majority) really in general don’t get it, Neither do the majority of Americans for that matter. > > also IB Ahmed This. I believe in free speech. With that said, join the military. Walk a mile in a serviceman/woman’s shoes. Then you can be considered to bring a legitimate argument to the table, in my eyes. With threads like this, I don’t see Network OT lasting long. ---
**Author:** ![HayMakr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/haymakr/32/5738_2.png) [@HayMakr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/HayMakr)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2010, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/48 "2010-07-07T23:12:53Z")
aside from all the bullshit, just watching the video… the soldiers thought those people were a threat so they took them out. better safe than sorry. better them than us. i would of done the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![klug](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/klug/32/5222_2.png) [@klug](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/klug)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/49 "2010-07-08T10:19:26Z")
> [@08GT500](#): > > With threads like this, I don’t see Network OT lasting long. After reading this entire thread and contemplating my response, this is how I feel. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/50 "2010-07-08T10:26:29Z")
So where is the vote for “Iraq was/is a retarded war to get into, but I’m OK with the shooting?” Give the guy a dishonorable discharge and be done with it. ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/51 "2010-07-08T10:47:57Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > So where is the vote for “Iraq was/is a retarded war to get into, but I’m OK with the shooting?” > > Give the guy a dishonorable discharge and be done with it. Gasp, agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/52 "2010-07-08T11:27:19Z")
Hang the bastard. It’s what Washington would have done. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![Freek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/freek/32/7357_2.png) [@Freek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Freek)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/53 "2010-07-08T11:35:00Z")
> [@Carnut](#): > > [QUOTE=Joe;2325355]So where is the vote for “Iraq was/is a retarded war to get into, but I’m OK with the shooting?” > > Give the guy a dishonorable discharge and be done with it. Gasp, agreed.Gasp, agreed.[/QUOTE] Except for the dishonorable discharge part. I think this country needs a good public hanging to set an example. Which would be better sentence than what he’ll get IMHO. He’ll be sent to Fort pound me in the ass Leavenworth where he’ll be everyones bitch until he eventually get’s out or is killed while in there. > [@Fry](#): > > Hang the bastard. It’s what Washington would have done. :tup: There are far worse punishments than death in this world. My afore mentioned is one of them. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/54 "2010-07-08T11:57:56Z")
Legally right vs Morally right. I’ll let Michael Sandel make the case… that being, there is no right answer, unless you don’t ask the question. anyways gents… we all believe what we believe… truth is, none of us are legally AND morally right. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/55 "2010-07-08T12:47:17Z")
Moral and legal arguments aside, Wikileaks only reported the facts of the situation that validated their overall oppinion of the war. You can agree with their overall oppinion of the war, but that isn’t justification for misrepresenting the story. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/56 "2010-07-08T12:49:08Z")
> [@Onyx Z32](#): > > Moral and legal arguments aside, Wikileaks only reported the facts of the situation that validated their overall oppinion of the war. You can agree with their overall oppinion of the war, but that isn’t justification for misrepresenting the story. So wikileaks = Fox News? ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/57 "2010-07-08T12:49:46Z")
i still disagree with you… i think we’ll need at least another 6 pages of posts in this thread before we come to a conclusion… OKAY GO! ---
**Author:** ![dubbin91](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dubbin91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dubbin91)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/58 "2010-07-08T12:53:16Z")
Are canadians the reason we can’t have nice things? ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/59 "2010-07-08T12:57:46Z")
only if you mean healthcare… read an interesting paper that stated the US’s over-expenditure on defense allowed other western nations to reduce defense spending and increase healthcare spending. Showed the changes in defence / healthcare spending over time for major nations post WWII. that said, Canada is your largest energy supplier and for other raw materials as well… so we are the reason why you have nice things… US also owns like 40% or something of all Canadian assets… was on the news, no source for it… so in essence we’re just the biggest and best US state with socialized medicine and no economic collapse. ---
**Author:** ![Onyx\_Z32](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/onyx_z32/32/7581_2.png) [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519/60 "2010-07-08T13:07:01Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > So wikileaks = Fox News? Sure, if Fox did the same thing I’d agree. Just because it fits the narative that you want it to doesn’t mean you can leave out facts that might suggest otherwise. ---------- Post added at 04:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:03 PM ---------- > [@bing](#): > > read an interesting paper that stated the US’s over-expenditure on defense allowed other western nations to reduce defense spending and increase healthcare spending. Showed the changes in defence / healthcare spending over time for major nations post WWII. They don’t call us the worlds police for nothing 🙂 Time for a new thread on that though. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/re-wikileaks-thread/157519.md?page=4)