# Ready for a per-mile gas tax? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [February 20, 2009, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523 "2009-02-20T06:52:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BluBalls](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bluballs/32/7212_2.png) [@BluBalls](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BluBalls)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/41 "2009-02-20T10:31:54Z")
"A tentative plan in Massachusetts to use GPS chips in vehicles to charge motorists by the mile has drawn complaints from drivers who say it’s an Orwellian intrusion by government into the lives of citizens. " I haven’t heard of this. Plus, they’re voting to raise the gas tax by 19 cents today here in MA. ---
**Author:** ![Moruitelda](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/moruitelda/32/5348_2.png) [@Moruitelda](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Moruitelda)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/42 "2009-02-20T10:36:31Z")
It will not happen. I’d bet just about anything on it. ---
**Author:** ![Xander](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/xander/32/7597_2.png) [@Xander](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Xander)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/43 "2009-02-20T10:38:20Z")
In Europe the tax you for company cars. Basically you have a nice company car, you pay on your income tax for it, almost like it’s part of your income, because you have a “free car” X… ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/44 "2009-02-20T10:38:49Z")
> [@Moruitelda](#): > > I didn’t know you were a major lobbying organization that pads the pockets of Congressmen based on public interest in privacy. (You’re doing nothing. You’re posting about it on the internet. And they’re not going to do it anyway, because it’s insane and would result in an uproar). Yeah, because they don’t monitor the internet to see what the population is discussing. Why do you think Al Gore invented the internet?:):tinfoilhat: ---
**Author:** ![JoesTypeS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joestypes/32/7190_2.png) [@JoesTypeS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JoesTypeS)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/45 "2009-02-20T10:39:44Z")
> [@Xander](#): > > In Europe the tax you for company cars. Basically you have a nice company car, you pay on your income tax for it, almost like it’s part of your income, because you have a “free car” > > X… You’re supposed to do that here too…see: Daschle ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/46 "2009-02-20T11:02:22Z")
I’d rather see them tax based on actual use. I’d also like to see the tax paid to the townships / cities for the actual road _use_ as well. Surely some skimmed percentage will go to the local/state/fed gov’t as well. But this might actually see that roads that need attention get it. :lol: at the :tinfoilhat: ---
**Author:** ![Adictd2b00st](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/adictd2b00st/32/7625_2.png) [@Adictd2b00st](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Adictd2b00st)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/47 "2009-02-20T12:53:37Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > I will post this again for anyone that missed it… > > “The system would require all cars and trucks be equipped with global satellite positioning technology, a transponder, a clock and other equipment to record…” yea fuck that… ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/48 "2009-02-20T13:08:15Z")
^ jay, when you’re driving, is your cell phone powered on? /devil’s advocate ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/49 "2009-02-20T13:09:28Z")
I don’t like the way this smells. ---
**Author:** ![Adictd2b00st](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/adictd2b00st/32/7625_2.png) [@Adictd2b00st](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Adictd2b00st)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/50 "2009-02-20T13:11:34Z")
> [@Nikuk](#): > > ^ jay, when you’re driving, is your cell phone powered on? > > /devil’s advocate usually…but atleast its not something that MUST be there, its my choice to bring it there 😉 ---
**Author:** ![TurboTSi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/22d042/32.png) [@TurboTSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTSi)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/51 "2009-02-20T13:18:44Z")
Could you imagine the cost and time to install these GPS monitoring systems? It would have to be funded by the government, which currently can’t afford. Or it would have to be paid by the driver, which would backlash against it. I see no way in hell this could even be done. Not to mention if they did get GPS sensors in all of our cars, how hard would it be to block the transmission with a metal plate or whatever? Sounds like tax free mileage to me. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/52 "2009-02-20T13:20:03Z")
:bloated: did you guys read the article? ---
**Author:** ![Tevenor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@Tevenor](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Tevenor)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/53 "2009-02-20T13:20:31Z")
I am all for it. I mean I would love to “misplace” my GPS gas monitor on my dog or on my bicycle and go for long 20 mile rides once a month and then magically it reappears on my car before inspection time. 😃 **WARNING: COMPLETE FABRICATED NUMBERS BELOW TO PROVE A RANDOM POINT** Anyone see any numbers on the cost to provision a system like this vs the taxes brought in? At an estimated 20 miles a gallon average, 64 cents tax or so now per gallon, we are talking 3.2 cents a mile tax. Average driver 12000 miles. 12000 / 20 mpg = 600 gallons x 64 = 384.00 spent out. Whats the chances that a fool proof monitoring GPS system with testing and cost per unit would make the first year a complete loss of revenue. ---
**Author:** ![95dime](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/95dime/32/7514_2.png) [@95dime](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/95dime)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/54 "2009-02-20T14:43:32Z")
i dont like this. not only does my summer toy get 4mpg, my daily gets 15 at best. and i average about 20k miles a year. i dont see them ever dropping a gas tax, not to mention the gas tax the state has as well, but we also have to be taxed on mileage? i hope this “gps” wouldnt be built into the computers of the cars or anything, as i ripped that out of my s10 when i did the motor swap. i dont mind paying for gas, but when i have to pay for driving ontop of that? not to mention that this is taking away more freedom, as theyre knowing where we are when were driving too? even when we dont have a cell on us or anything. dont get me wrong i didnt care for the republican party too much, but i hate the damn welfare bum lovin’ tree huggin’ democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/55 "2009-02-20T16:41:36Z")
For the last time, it was INSTEAD OF a gas tax. And it’s a moot point anyway, because Obama said he’s against it. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 5:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/56 "2011-05-18T05:00:00Z")
> **[Forget the gas tax - a driving tax may be next](https://money.cnn.com/2011/05/18/news/economy/gas_tax_drivers/index.htm?hpt=T2)** > > Forget the gas tax, time for a driving tax? The government may charge motorists for each mile traveled as higher fuel economy is translating into a shortfall in the nation's highway budget. > Washington lawmakers are kicking around a new idea to help raise funds to fix our highways and infrastructure: a national driving tax charging motorists by the mile. A driving tax could either replace the current 18.4 cent a gallon federal gas tax or, possibly, add to it. If they use this instead of the 18.4/gal tax I’d almost certainly save money. Two poor gas mileage vehicles that get driven about 6k a year, plus a boat that would be exempt. ---
**Author:** ![focusinprogress](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/focusinprogress/32/7227_2.png) [@focusinprogress](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/focusinprogress)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 5:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/57 "2011-05-18T05:06:06Z")
I’m going to get more serious about hunting craigslist for a road bicycle. ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 5:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/58 "2011-05-18T05:07:24Z")
Ain’t touching my vehicles. Fuck that non-sense. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 5:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/59 "2011-05-18T05:10:18Z")
> [@Motocrossx23](#): > > Ain’t touching my vehicles. Fuck that non-sense. They wouldn’t have to. You already have to turn your vehicles over to the state every year for an inspection and they already record mileage. ---
**Author:** ![tpgsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tpgsr/32/7374_2.png) [@tpgsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tpgsr)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523/60 "2011-05-18T05:17:42Z")
I would be cool with this as I have one V8 and am trying to pick up another. I only put about 12-15k per year on both vehicles combined. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ready-for-a-per-mile-gas-tax/212523.md?page=4)