# Reasons why GM and American cars kick ass

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**Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\
**Created:** [October 11, 2008, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274 "2008-10-11T09:13:47Z")\
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**Author:** ![TORQDSS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/torqdss/32/5125_2.png) [@TORQDSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TORQDSS)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/1 "2008-10-11T09:13:47Z")

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This is a big fat “SCREW YOU” to all the GM/domestic haters who constantly say how crappy the cars are and how they produce huge pieces of shit. Feel free to contribute if you have FACTS. Maybe we should call this [NYGMSUCKS.com](http://NYGMSUCKS.com) because this is all I see lately…

Fuel Efficiency by Brand… Chevy #3, Pontiac #6, Saturn #7

10 best fuel-economy automakers

1.MINI – 27.66 average mpg, 12 cars  
2. Honda – 23.81 average mpg, 27 cars  
3. Chevrolet – 23.36 average mpg, 88 cars \<\<\< more cars than anyone else and still got 3rd  
4. Lotus – 22.33 average mpg, 3 cars  
5. VW – 22.21 average mpg, 28 cars  
6. Pontiac – 22.20 average mpg, 24 cars  
7. Saturn – 22.14 average mpg, 21 cars  
8. Kia – 21.80 average mpg, 20 cars  
9. Suzuki – 21.77 average mpg, 18 cars  
10. Toyota – 21.60 average mpg, 55 cars

[http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/08/27/aa.fuel.efficient.automakers/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/08/27/aa.fuel.efficient.automakers/index.html)

Quality rating…There’s quite a few foriegn manufacturer’s UNDER the American one’s and I see some luxury brands right next Ford, Mercury, Chevy, Cadillac…

[http://digiads.com.au/car-news/latest-MISC-news/J\_D\_\_Power\_2008\_Manufacturer\_Quality\_Report\_200806.html](http://digiads.com.au/car-news/latest-MISC-news/J_D__Power_2008_Manufacturer_Quality_Report_200806.html)

This includes all of the vehicles that are used for work that get the shit beat out of them too. Not to mention several of the brands don’t even sell trucks or don’t sell very many because they only sell cars

Warranty comparision… again American manufacturers are at the top or right next to the foriegn manufacturers

[http://www.carsmart.com/content/research/warranty/index.cfm](http://www.carsmart.com/content/research/warranty/index.cfm)

HMMM… looks like a bunch of American manufacturers are still leading the pack in quite a few areas in North America…

[http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2\_3022-autosales.html#autosalesE](http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html#autosalesE)

GM TYD sales: 2,395,304  
Toyota TYD sales: 1,793,303  
Ford YTD sales: 1,527,642  
Chrysler YTD sales: 1,183,519

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**Author:** ![AFhockey31](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/afhockey31/32/5086_2.png) [@AFhockey31](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AFhockey31)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/2 "2008-10-11T09:19:37Z")

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wow this post hurts baby jesus’ eyes… can someone clean it up ?

what i find is odd is how much further pontiac and saturn are that much further down the list when essentially they have the same vehicles, and the ones theyre missing are the more gas guzzlers that would bring the average down

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**Author:** ![Paulo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/paulo/32/7328_2.png) [@Paulo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Paulo)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/3 "2008-10-11T09:19:48Z")

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Ah, that post is hurting my brain.

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**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/4 "2008-10-11T09:21:54Z")

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how about residual values?

or is a 2004 Pontiac Grand Prix really only worth $2,500 on trade in… that’s what they fetch here in Ontario. A 2004 honda civic cost less to begin with and has a trade in 4-5 times higher than that.

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**Author:** ![dftsilvia](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dftsilvia/32/7447_2.png) [@dftsilvia](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dftsilvia)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/5 "2008-10-11T09:25:52Z")

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why do people keep finding ways to make american cars look good???

thats y gm is one step closer to being bankrupt.

shit old ass 240’s have more value than most newer american cars have

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**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/6 "2008-10-11T09:35:05Z")

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that is the most convincing post I have ever seen

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**Author:** ![TORQDSS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/torqdss/32/5125_2.png) [@TORQDSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TORQDSS)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/7 "2008-10-11T09:41:29Z")

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shit sorry guys, I’ll see if I can fix that

EDIT: why does it look fine on my computer when I try to edit it?

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**Author:** ![66impalass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/66impalass/32/7429_2.png) [@66impalass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/66impalass)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/8 "2008-10-11T09:48:11Z")

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look at the box called posting rules on the bottom of the page and you will figure out why

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**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/9 "2008-10-11T09:50:55Z")

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> [@AFhockey31](#):
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> wow this post hurts baby jesus’ eyes… can someone clean it up ?

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**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/10 "2008-10-11T09:52:48Z")

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desperation is a stinky cologne

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**Author:** ![bigwoode](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bigwoode/32/5175_2.png) [@bigwoode](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bigwoode)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/11 "2008-10-11T09:53:58Z")

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I think MINI - 12 cars is funny… what the hell gets them to 12 cars?!

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**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/12 "2008-10-11T10:07:17Z")

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> [@dftsilvia](#):
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> shit old ass 240’s have more value than most newer american cars have

that’s pretty true… i could have bought 3 2004 Grand Prix’s for what i paid for one 1997 240sx this year… and all 3 grand prix’s would have had lower cumulative mileage than the chassis of the 240sx… and 2 years from now when i sell it i’ll still get 80 - 120% of what i paid for it… all of the grand prix’s will be sitting on used car lots owned by brown dudes.

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**Author:** ![Shockwave179](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shockwave179/32/7496_2.png) [@Shockwave179](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Shockwave179)\
**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/13 "2008-10-11T10:12:50Z")

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> [@bing](#):
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> that’s pretty true… i could have bought 3 2004 Grand Prix’s for what i paid for one 1997 240sx this year… and all 3 grand prix’s would have had lower cumulative mileage than the chassis of the 240sx… and 2 years from now when i sell it i’ll still get 80 - 120% of what i paid for it… all of the grand prix’s will be sitting on used car lots owned by brown dudes.

You’re clearly forgeting the only reason 240’s are worth anything right now, which is because of every retard and their mother that saw the fast and furious movies and wants to gO dRiFtinG Yo…

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**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/14 "2008-10-11T10:18:38Z")

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and is too stupid to do it with something that actually has power (f-bod, stang) because you gotta be madd jdm yo

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**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/15 "2008-10-11T10:38:32Z")

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> [@dftsilvia](#):
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> why do people keep finding ways to make american cars look good???
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> thats y gm is one step closer to being bankrupt.
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> shit old ass 240’s have more value than most newer american cars have

Just to the poser wannabe drifters.

Take an old ass 240 to a dealership and I guarentee they laugh and offer $200 bucks.

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**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/16 "2008-10-11T10:38:35Z")

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:IB4thisthreadbecomesadisaster:

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**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/17 "2008-10-11T10:40:27Z")

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So because they have good mpg makes them quailty cars?

And why isnt the “SMART” car company included?

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**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/18 "2008-10-11T10:45:46Z")

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> [@Slopoke](#):
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> So because they have good mpg makes them quailty cars?
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> And why isnt the “SMART” car company included?

Aren’t they a division of Mercedes Benz?

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**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/19 "2008-10-11T10:46:46Z")

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isn’t mini a division of BMW?

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**Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/20 "2008-10-11T10:47:26Z")

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NYSPEED HURTS MY BRAIN AHHHHHH

Myself or my parents having owned Chevy’s Ford’s Chrysler’s Honda’s BMW’s Toyota’s Nissan’s, i can say that i fucking hate imports. Every BMW we have had has turned out to be a pile of shit; Blown tranny on a 2 year old 03 M3, electrical system going fucking crazy on both the 328i and the X5, the X5 dumping oil everywhere out just about every seal at 1k miles, list goes on. The Corolla my parents had was a pile of shit. My mom had a Nissan pathfinder, that had problems from day one with stupid shit like sensors, window motors, the rear end at 45k miles (and no we dont tow shit, rip out stumps etc, she drove it to work) To be fair my 2002 Mustang GT was also a pile, valve cover gaskets liked to randomly pop every 10 k miles or so, the CD changer would jam on a daily basis to the point where i carried a small screwdriver in the armrest, alt went at 18k miles. I cannot complain too much about my 2000 Honda accord except for the fact that the retard who designed it put a “cage” around the fuel and brake lines so everything would get trapped in there and rot the fuck out of the lines so one day it started pissing gas, and then another OH FUCK! no Brakes!

My recent POS’s

2000 Pontiac Trans Am 50k miles, beat the fuck out of it no issues (except for aftermarket shit breaking; cracked intake mani ☹

1994 Chevy 2500 Pickup 200k miles, beat the fuck out of it, haul my quad, firewood wood, tow a camper, drive through the woods, endless burnouts, not ONE hiccup, and then sold it for $1800 bucks in 2007.

2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee 154k miles, no problems as of yet

FWIW, i have no problem with domestics, i love them and they have been good to me. I also like my mom’s new civic, 10k miles and no problem yet, so we will see how it pans out.

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