# Reasons why GM and American cars kick ass **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [October 11, 2008, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274 "2008-10-11T09:13:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![IanK](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/iank/32/5016_2.png) [@IanK](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/IanK)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/61 "2008-10-11T12:59:58Z")
> [@Gus](#): > > :roflpicard: > > Na, I can’t stand wheel hop. Just a closet LT1 fggt. Uh Oh lol ---
**Author:** ![IanK](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/iank/32/5016_2.png) [@IanK](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/IanK)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/62 "2008-10-11T13:00:14Z")
> [@jt76](#): > > I gave up a long time ago. Ignorance is bliss. Indeed Thank you to TORQDSS for this thread, I was in a horrible mood earlier, and now ripping on GM for a while has surprisingly brightened my day LOL. OHH I’ve just spotted the new E90 M3 in last months Road and track, Im going to go masturbate to it now HaHa ---
**Author:** ![TORQDSS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/torqdss/32/5125_2.png) [@TORQDSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TORQDSS)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/63 "2008-10-11T13:00:28Z")
> [@IanK](#): > > HaHa please dont get me started on how many times I’ve tried to explain to people that their econo box POS isnt a sports car so true!!! ---
**Author:** ![Gus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gus/32/5112_2.png) [@Gus](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gus)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/64 "2008-10-11T13:10:37Z")
> [@IanK](#): > > Uh Oh lol I wouldn’t worry, I only make power for the first 5 miles… Then the opti usually explodes. ---
**Author:** ![TORQDSS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/torqdss/32/5125_2.png) [@TORQDSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TORQDSS)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/65 "2008-10-11T13:15:15Z")
> [@IanK](#): > > Indeed > > Thank you to TORQDSS for this thread, I was in a horrible mood earlier, and now ripping on GM for a while has surprisingly brightened my day LOL. OHH I’ve just spotted the new E90 M3 in last months Road and track, Im going to go masturbate to it now HaHa :roflpicard: too much info… ---
**Author:** ![IanK](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/iank/32/5016_2.png) [@IanK](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/IanK)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/66 "2008-10-11T13:17:25Z")
> [@TORQDSS](#): > > :roflpicard: too much info… Hmmm yes but Im sure in your copy, the pages in which the CTS-V is displayed wont be able to be pulled apart again. HaHa ---
**Author:** ![TORQDSS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/torqdss/32/5125_2.png) [@TORQDSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TORQDSS)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/67 "2008-10-11T13:18:25Z")
LOL!!! ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/68 "2008-10-11T13:32:41Z")
I can’t believe my eyes when I saw all of that \*gosh… **plastic** in that Beemer interior! I thought plastic was exclusive to GM interiors? ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/69 "2008-10-11T13:32:57Z")
> [@joelster](#): > > Who buys a car based solely on residual value? > > You have got to be kidding me. Such a weak counterpoint. Show me a guy who traded in a 4 year old Grand Prix for $2500, and i’ll show you a salesman’s dream (a total pushover customer). Hi, welcome to a discussion where some people involved work in the industry (not at a parts counter or in a shop) Residual value is probably one of the most important factors in automotive pricing. Lease payments are based on it and residuals have cost serious coin to the Big 3 when they did it wrong… F150’s? You and i may not think it’s that important, but only because it’s not really up to us. > [@TORQDSS](#): > > and bing brings up a very important point when it comes to resale value. if this were Japan, Korea, Europe the cars that are foreign here will have been impacted by fleet use there but they won’t in the US. Because of the amount of fleet vehicles the resale values get impacted immensely. I know because we base alot of trade in values off the auction prices and the auctions are always loaded with off-rentals, company cars, govt. vehicles etc that are usually quite inexpensive. ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/70 "2008-10-11T13:37:36Z")
> [@bing](#): > > Hi, welcome to a discussion where some people involved work in the industry (not at a parts counter or in a shop) > > Residual value is probably one of the most important factors in automotive pricing. Lease payments are based on it and residuals have cost serious coin to the Big 3 when they did it wrong… F150’s? > > You and i may not think it’s that important, but only because it’s not really up to us. I see your point. But, what I was trying to say is that do you really think Mr and Mrs. so and so go to a lot to purchase a car and go, “hrmm…I wonder what sort of value this thing will have in 5 or 6 years when I decide to trade it in on another one?” It’s probably the last thing on their mind. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/71 "2008-10-11T13:51:55Z")
i agree that it isnt necesarily top of mind for Mr. Generic consumer, but the predicted residual value impacts the monthly payments which do have an impact on the decision. It also has an impact on why certain american OE’s are not leasing vehicles anymore. residual can be a make or break decision criteria for many though… Any savvy car buyer does not buy a car they know they’ll never be top side on. I have colleauges that traded in their wife’s newish Cobalt (2-3 years old) for a 5-6 year old Mazda Trubite becuase the Tribute is worth $6k now, as is the Cobalt… but the Tribute bottom’s out at $5k with little or no depreication afterwards so long as it is in decent shape… the cobalt will go right down to $500 just like a sunfire / cavalier. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Twinkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d07c76/32.png) [@Mr.Twinkie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mr.Twinkie)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/72 "2008-10-11T17:28:02Z")
> [@IanK](#): > > If I was buying a car Id take my chance with the BMW instead of having to sit in a cadillac every day I love sitting in my Cadi Eldorado everyday. Cant beat having modest power and full luxury for under 10k :thankyou: ---
**Author:** ![TORQDSS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/torqdss/32/5125_2.png) [@TORQDSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TORQDSS)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/73 "2008-10-11T17:47:59Z")
bing, everytime I see your name all I can think of is you standing at Watkins Glen screaming “BLOWJOBS!” ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/74 "2008-10-11T17:57:38Z")
> [@IanK](#): > > No No sir, I have my own non media aided opinion, **I dont enjoy driving Gm fail attempts at luxury and sport, and for ex the CTS since the have been out for a few years now, I have had the…“opportunity” to drive them with more than 50k on them, and all I can say is DISASTER** , I will say though it doesn’t help there cause that most of the people that buy them are dirtbags who smoke in them and trash them hard. > [@IanK](#): > > Because they get good MPG, they have awesome warranties, and our poor citizens can afford them. as far as the problems go well that sux, I’ll give it to ya there, but IMO there are ups and owns to buying a car, If I was buying a car Id take my chance with the BMW instead of having to sit in a cadillac every day. **but they just have so far from a quality feels its ridiculous** > [@IanK](#): > > Agreed as I said, for low dollar transportation, hey why not, they do that well, but what gets me is when they try and make a 3 series fighter or a siqqq sports car something along those lines, they fuck fail so hard, **you drive a CTS vs a 3 series I laugh now just thinking about how bad it is lol Cheap transport FTW, half assed luxo and sports car FTL** > [@IanK](#): > > I’ll take you up on that offer, **but I will say I Have driven the new CTS, Its good, just not quite as sharp as the 3 or 5 series (even though the new 5 series suck), I have a more “performance” minded style of driving I guess,** so IDK I just notice things differently than most buyers, so ignore my opinion lol, but I’ll say its a good attempt, you wont see it in my driveway though You’re arguments lose 99% of their value when you state things as bolded above. [http://nyspeed.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1004180&postcount=48](http://nyspeed.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1004180&postcount=48) > [@A white C6 for 30K?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/a-white-c6-for-30k/51287/48): > > Nope I don’t enjoy driving them one bit, get into anything really, Lexus IS, BMW 3 series, bens SLK IDK the list goes on and on not the point though, _ **get in and 2 sec later the difference is incredible compared to the domestic cars, Im a valet BTW and I do drive theses cars back to back, my own opinions though, which from now on Im going to keep to myself** _ Being a valet monkey does not equate to driving a vehicle in any capacity to be able to offer a review of them in any area beyond low speed steering response. However, if you tell me that you’re doglegging these valeted vehicles, and thoroughly putting miles on the chassis, drivetrain & interiors… then ANY of your tripe may be worth reading. OH BTW - Don’t let Onyx find out that you’re flogging these cars in an attempt to posit a comprehensive opinion of them. ---
**Author:** ![IanK](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/iank/32/5016_2.png) [@IanK](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/IanK)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/75 "2008-10-11T20:30:44Z")
Ha Ha yes laugh all you want, but when you’ve finished your chuckle, take the time to think about the fact the we do get in these cars basically back to back, and no I dont put 1000 miles on the car so no I guess I dont get the full aspect of each car, but remember that the driving we do in these cars gives a pretty good interpretation of how they hold up in real world situations, its plenty enough for me to maker my decision, on quality and annoyances of each. Oh and I dont flog any cars, If i valeted my car I wouldn’t want it beaten, therefore I dont abuse anyone else’s shit, and josh knows this, K thanks ---
**Author:** ![chino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bcef8e/32.png) [@chino](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/chino)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/76 "2008-10-11T20:40:50Z")
> [@Jagermeister](#): > > :IB4thisthreadbecomesadisaster: yous way too lates ---
**Author:** ![joelster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joelster/32/7258_2.png) [@joelster](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/joelster)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/77 "2008-10-11T20:45:56Z")
> [@IanK](#): > > Ha Ha yes laugh all you want, but when you’ve finished your chuckle, take the time to think about the fact the we do get in these cars basically back to back, and no I dont put 1000 miles on the car so no I guess I dont get the full aspect of each car, but remember that the driving we do in these cars gives a pretty good interpretation of how they hold up in real world situations, its plenty enough for me to maker my decision, on quality and annoyances of each. Oh and I dont flog any cars, If i valeted my car I wouldn’t want it beaten, therefore I dont abuse anyone else’s shit, and josh knows this, K thanks So, you get into a car. Put it in drive. Travel roughly 10mph through a parking lot. Then back it into a parking spot. Wow. That’s all the driving anyone would need to firmly establish an opinion on road-worthyness. Why read Car and Driver when we could just ask you? So tell me something…whats easier to do a 3-point turn in? A BMW 3-series, or a Cadillac CTS? How about a parallel park? ---
**Author:** ![IanK](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/iank/32/5016_2.png) [@IanK](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/IanK)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/78 "2008-10-11T21:04:08Z")
> [@joelster](#): > > So, you get into a car. Put it in drive. Travel roughly 10mph through a parking lot. Then back it into a parking spot. > > Wow. > > That’s all the driving anyone would need to firmly establish an opinion on road-worthyness. > > Why read Car and Driver when we could just ask you? > > So tell me something…whats easier to do a 3-point turn in? A BMW 3-series, or a Cadillac CTS? How about a parallel park? Ya know I just cant explain this any further, so Im just going to go with…FUCK YOU, GM product is shit and I dont give a flying fuck what anyone says people that waste money on this shit should be ashamed ---
**Author:** ![turbociv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@turbociv](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/turbociv)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/79 "2008-10-11T21:52:38Z")
Ill base my point of view on my previous experiance. Ive owned many cars from the 80’s to the 90’s and newer both import and domestic. The domestics for the longest time until late were behind in technology and reliability. The imports however have always been reliable and great on gas. it hasnt been until late that the domestics (mainly GM) have stepped up there game. I love alot of the new vehicles and concepts coming from them however i cant get outta my head all the countless bullshit problems ive had with my families cavaliers, wifes sunfire, mom’s corsica. All these vehicles were very nice when purchased new and quickly fell to shit. The technology on these cars were very primitave and basic and lacked any thing of its competitors. Its because of all these horrible GM cars that they have put out in that past that makes it VERY difficult for me to want to hop into a new one. Maybe in 5-6yrs when i see how there current new model mid sized or compacts hold up. But till then ill keep driving my bmw with over 120,000 miles and over 600hp with stock internals. And when im not driving that ill hop in my wifes scion which for around 17g brand new was one hell of a deal and will hold its value. I dont drive bmw because it gets me tail. I drive it because i know that it will last well over 200k miles and i will still be able to sell it when im done abusing it. ---
**Author:** ![94excivic](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/94excivic/32/5263_2.png) [@94excivic](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/94excivic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2008, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/reasons-why-gm-and-american-cars-kick-ass/56274/80 "2008-10-11T21:54:45Z")
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