# Red Light Photos in Buffalo **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [March 24, 2009, 5:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009 "2009-03-24T05:53:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/61 "2009-04-01T12:03:45Z")
> [@Gus](#): > > Judging by wherever you’re going… I’m sure they already have the camera’s in place. :picard: LOL. That is true. The cities where they are already people are tuned to driving properly so you might cause problems being new to the red light camera scene. Anyone check out some of the studies on this that talk about places of like 10,000 people put these in and in the first year over 1/4 of the people have gotten tickets for them? ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/62 "2009-04-01T12:11:10Z")
> [@POOPRA](#): > > anyone know a good sniper I’m a pretty good shot! > [@evolve](#): > > how durable are these things? > > anyone have any idea? The penalty for damaging a traffic control device is something like 3 years & 150K fine! I hear post it notes work as well as silly string, just don’t get caught! ---
**Author:** ![Harvey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/harvey/32/5069_2.png) [@Harvey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Harvey)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/63 "2009-04-01T13:03:21Z")
> [@tinsil](#): > > the money goes to to the company to pay for the system, the profits go to the police. and the OWNER of the car is fined. Regardless of who is driving. Can I borrow someone’s car for a day? Anyone? > [@Griff](#): > > and turning left under a red light is illegal. it is technically illegal to wait under the light to turn. Are you sure about that? ---
**Author:** ![Harvey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/harvey/32/5069_2.png) [@Harvey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Harvey)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/64 "2009-04-01T13:03:54Z")
> [@tinsil](#): > > the money goes to to the company to pay for the system, the profits go to the police. and the OWNER of the car is fined. Regardless of who is driving. Can I borrow someone’s car for a day? Anyone? > [@Griff](#): > > and turning left under a red light is illegal. it is technically illegal to wait under the light to turn. Are you sure about that? I remember being taught in driver’s ed that one care is allowed under the light, and the others have to stay back. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/65 "2009-04-01T13:07:05Z")
> [@eesti](#): > > Can I borrow someone’s car for a day? Anyone? You don’t need to. Just take a picture of their plate, print it out, and tape it over your plate. There was a story linked here a while back where kids were doing this as a prank because the cops set up a photo radar near the school. ---
**Author:** ![blk99z28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@blk99z28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/blk99z28)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/66 "2009-04-01T13:35:34Z")
The news here just keeps getting better and better. Why do I live here? Shitty city, shitty state. shitty weather. I’m really starting to consider relocating. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/67 "2009-04-01T13:55:04Z")
> [@blk99z28](#): > > The news here just keeps getting better and better. Why do I live here? Shitty city, shitty state. shitty weather. I’m really starting to consider relocating. x2 Read the book 3 men in a room. Between reading that and just listening to the general things that go on here with little things like these cameras to all the way up to ny state stuff, I am thinking the same thing and feel more and more like a dumbass for staying here after i graduated instead of moving like everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/68 "2009-04-01T14:13:53Z")
I already tried to do my civil duty and emailed everyone on the Buffalo Common Council and Byron Brown. Two articles I found on them. Joe Golombek (Common Council) emailed me back, I sent him these two articles. > **[Montana Legislature Votes to Ban Red Light Cameras](http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/27/2734.asp)** > > The Montana state House and Senate each approved legislation that would ban red light cameras. > **[Minnesota Supreme Court Strikes Down Red Light Cameras](http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/16/1688.asp)** > > The Minnesota Supreme Court delivers a unanimous decision striking down the legality of red light cameras. ---
**Author:** ![ryanmcell](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ryanmcell/32/7510_2.png) [@ryanmcell](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ryanmcell)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/69 "2009-04-01T14:17:29Z")
One nice thing about these is they are very obvious and obtrusive, so you can see them. All the ones I see in DC I know which way they are facing to know if you can blow through the yellow or if you have to stop. ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/70 "2009-04-01T14:23:09Z")
What would be funny. 1. Get Byron Brown’s plate Number 2. Find same type/color car 3. Run a few red lights at 3am 4)… 4. Profit ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/71 "2009-04-01T14:25:31Z")
if you want to know how much harm these cameras really do, just ask federal judge andrew napolitano. He mentions them in almost every book he writes. he does a great job of explaining why they are illegal. What you also need to look at is that these cameras are strictly for making money, not protecting the citizens and heres why (and yes buffalo is doing it this way too). Whenever a city installs these cameras, the company who does the installing, installs them for free, then the city gives the company a certain percentage of how much they make off of the tickets. This is how its been done 100% of the time so far and i dont see buffalo doing it any differently. Also, the timing of the yellow light does a much better job than these cameras ever will. In san francisco where they first had these cameras. There was an intersection where they changed the yellow light timeing from 2.1 seconds to 5.3 seconds. The number of people running the redlight went from 2300 a month to 240 a month! This sort of drop can not be said aboout the red light cameras though. In fact in some areas they increased rear end collisions by 80%!. I will have to look in one of his books for the refercence, i know he cited it but i cant remember from where right now. ---
**Author:** ![fiend540](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bcef8e/32.png) [@fiend540](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fiend540)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/72 "2009-04-01T14:30:36Z")
[http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090331/CGY\_Green\_Speed\_090331/20090331/?hub=CalgaryHome](http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090331/CGY_Green_Speed_090331/20090331/?hub=CalgaryHome) this is next 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JustinH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9fc29f/32.png) [@JustinH](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JustinH)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/73 "2009-04-01T17:59:23Z")
They have had redlight cameras in the Phoenix area and surrounding sururbs for about 10 years now. People are rear ending the piss out of eachother, its nuts. I was driving out there for about a week, and had the guy behind me get one. It was dark out, the flash from the camera blinded me. Thats going to work EXCELLENT in buffalo in a blinding snow storm, some ass hole hammering the brakes and KILLING some pedestrian in the street. ---
**Author:** ![steve1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/steve1/32/7283_2.png) [@steve1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/steve1)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/74 "2009-04-01T18:10:47Z")
my brother’s friend got a ticket on a traffic light camera for going through a yellow-red in buff. a few months ago. the infraction showed his picture as the driver, the liscense(sp.) plate, and the amt. of $ he owed. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/75 "2009-04-01T18:31:00Z")
> [@steve](#): > > my brother’s friend got a ticket on a traffic light camera for going through a yellow-red in buff. a few months ago. the infraction showed his picture as the driver, the liscense(sp.) plate, and the amt. of $ he owed. they are just voting on this. i smell BS ---
**Author:** ![97\_B18b1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/cdc98d/32.png) [@97\_B18b1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97_B18b1)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/76 "2009-04-01T18:32:43Z")
ya theres no cameras yet. It dont matter if we go and protest either kuz they dont give a shit about us. ---
**Author:** ![rdandy5875](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rdandy5875/32/7511_2.png) [@rdandy5875](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rdandy5875)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/77 "2009-04-01T21:21:29Z")
So what happens if you enter the intersection after the light has turned red already = right on red? Or if you are making a left and have to wait for traffic? Which is illegal anyways isn’t it?, but everyone does… I don’t go speeding around running lights, but I do the those things every day… ---
**Author:** ![snowracer101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/78 "2009-04-01T21:26:16Z")
> [@rdandy5875](#): > > So what happens if you enter the intersection after the light has turned red already = right on red? > > Or if you are making a left and have to wait for traffic? Which is illegal anyways isn’t it?, but everyone does… > > I don’t go speeding around running lights, but I do the those things every day… you get a ticket. ---
**Author:** ![Violator](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/violator/32/7278_2.png) [@Violator](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Violator)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/79 "2009-04-01T23:09:07Z")
This is a HUGE fucking SCAM It has dick to do with safety and EVERYTHING to do with generating revenue. These are installed by a private company that gets PAID for every ticket. They have all the incentive to FUCK the drivers over and they do. Search on it. There is article after article about abuses and a complete lack of proven safety improvement. This is next: [http://photoradarscam.com/malfunctions.php](http://photoradarscam.com/malfunctions.php) Buy this shit: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E\_bwH53kBdA&NR=1](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_bwH53kBdA&NR=1) ---
**Author:** ![snowracer101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/80 "2009-04-02T00:07:25Z")
> [@Violator](#): > > Buy this shit: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E\_bwH53kBdA&NR=1](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_bwH53kBdA&NR=1) Yayyy, i have a can of that I got for free…i tried it though (with a flash camera, and it doesn’t work) [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009.md?page=5)