# Red Light Photos in Buffalo **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [March 24, 2009, 5:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009 "2009-03-24T05:53:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![walter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/walter/32/7202_2.png) [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/141 "2009-04-08T11:03:59Z")
> [@boxxa](#): > > Photoshop the light green and send it back to them 🙂 > > Maybe a dumb question but how do these things take pictures of your plates at night or in bad weather? It doesn’t seem that there is some ultra high technology going on in these cameras and you might be able to distort the image enough to fight it. Not really, you can have a camera that has far more capability than they need for these for a few hundred bucks. Now if you were buying them in bulk on a big gov’t contract you’d prob. get them even cheaper. [http://www.stardot-tech.com/video/stardot-lpc3.html](http://www.stardot-tech.com/video/stardot-lpc3.html) ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/142 "2009-04-08T11:04:39Z")
The camera has a flash, and plates are HIGHLY reflective, so night shots aren’t a problem. And forget your plate cover ideas. Any city that gets these immediately has the police crack down big time on plate covers. ---
**Author:** ![POOPRA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/poopra/32/7188_2.png) [@POOPRA](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/POOPRA)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/143 "2009-04-08T11:21:18Z")
I dont know if it was mentioned yet but there will be no points added to your licence from a red light camera ticket. Anyway, I doubt the city police are going to pull you over for plate covers, but its possible. I would definately run them, but have my doubts about them actually working. ---
**Author:** ![walter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/walter/32/7202_2.png) [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/144 "2009-04-08T11:27:38Z")
> [@POOPRA](#): > > I dont know if it was mentioned yet but there will be no points added to your licence from a red light camera ticket. > > I want more information on the plate covers so I personally dont have to worry about this issue. > > I doubt the city police are going to pull you over for plate covers, but its possible. > > I have my doubts of the covers actually working Obstructing the visibility of your plate in any means has always been a ticketable offense, that includes the covers and sprays designed to limit off angle visibility or reflectivity. IIRC, MythBusters did an episode on plate filters and short of going past at 200MPH there wasn’t much that worked, but I can’t remember (or be bothered to search apparently). ---
**Author:** ![POOPRA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/poopra/32/7188_2.png) [@POOPRA](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/POOPRA)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/145 "2009-04-08T11:36:35Z")
Yeah I know they are illegal, but enforcement of things like this in the city is not like amherst/kenmore/etc. I would definitely be surprised if anyone got busted for them. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/146 "2009-04-08T11:43:49Z")
Where are you hearing that there is no points? I thought the argument when they were voting on this was that when they issue the fine, they immediately notify the insurance company. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/147 "2009-04-08T11:51:40Z")
Oh and another dumb question. If you slam on your brakes and cross the line but still stop. How does the camera know you are stopping or moving through the intersection? Also, if they detect if you run the red after the yellow, do they also detect if you stop and run it after the other side is green? If so, don’t they need the sensor that takes the picture active all the time and how does this effect people who creep 1/2 way into the intersection to get that much further ahead when the light goes green. ---
**Author:** ![POOPRA](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/poopra/32/7188_2.png) [@POOPRA](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/POOPRA)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/148 "2009-04-08T11:58:23Z")
> [@boxxa](#): > > Where are you hearing that there is no points? I thought the argument when they were voting on this was that when they issue the fine, they immediately notify the insurance company. It was on the news last night, it came out of byron browns mouth. No points and no issues with insurance premiums rising. ---
**Author:** ![walter](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/walter/32/7202_2.png) [@walter](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/walter)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/149 "2009-04-08T11:58:28Z")
> [@POOPRA](#): > > Yeah I know they are illegal, but enforcement of things like this in the city is not like amherst/kenmore/etc. I would definitely be surprised if anyone got busted for them. I would imagine it would be more likely that it’ll be a tag-on offense, much like not having a front plate. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/150 "2009-04-08T11:59:41Z")
> [@POOPRA](#): > > Yeah I know they are illegal, but enforcement of things like this in the city is not like amherst/kenmore/etc. I would definitely be surprised if anyone got busted for them. The city is installing these camera’s for revenue, they’ve admitted as much. It defeats their plan if they allow people to cruise around with plate covers. Revenue = more chances the BPD will get their raises. > [@boxxa](#): > > Where are you hearing that there is no points? I thought the argument when they were voting on this was that when they issue the fine, they immediately notify the insurance company. They’re non-point tickets. It’s been in pretty much every article linked. > [@boxxa](#): > > Oh and another dumb question. > > If you slam on your brakes and cross the line but still stop. How does the camera know you are stopping or moving through the intersection? > > Also, if they detect if you run the red after the yellow, do they also detect if you stop and run it after the other side is green? If so, don’t they need the sensor that takes the picture active all the time and how does this effect people who creep 1/2 way into the intersection to get that much further ahead when the light goes green. If you’re across the line you’ve run the light. Creeping forward, stopping late, or straight out running it is all the same legally so your argument is pointless. ---
**Author:** ![boxxa](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxxa/32/5045_2.png) [@boxxa](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boxxa)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/151 "2009-04-08T13:50:51Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > They’re non-point tickets. It’s been in pretty much every article linked. Ah ok. I just remember when Shredd and Regan were promoting the movement against this, a lot of people were talking about points on them so didn’t know what came of that. > [@JayS](#): > > If you’re across the line you’ve run the light. Creeping forward, stopping late, or straight out running it is all the same legally so your argument is pointless. Ok. I never looked to have a argument against them, just curious how these things worked cuz I am the dumbass that will stop in the white zone. I guess if you arent going to make the stop in time, might as well at least go through it. Haha ---
**Author:** ![Gus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gus/32/5112_2.png) [@Gus](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/152 "2009-04-08T14:14:34Z")
If you don’t want the cops to get your money, don’t run yellow/red lights in the city. Like we’ll have any say in what happens with this anyways. Sounds like everyone on here makes running lights apart of their everyday agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Jack](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jack/32/7613_2.png) [@Jack](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jack)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/153 "2009-04-08T14:16:33Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > They shorten the yellow and the grace period until they give out the desired number of tickets. Thus, your “ninja red lights”. Not to mention, take into account the unpredictability factor. My friend who drove tow truck saw TONS of accidents when he would be following someone because the person would stop at a light prematurely when they shouldn’t have so as not to lose him, too late for the person behind them to do the same. How do you guard against unpredictability of other drivers? > I’d really like to see you stop your gigantic truck from 35 MPH in the time you have when a light goes yellow in a snowstorm. I understand you are not in control of the person behind you. That is why you let them rear end you at the red light. Why aren’t you guys scared of red lights today? You really think this camera is going to change anything? > [@psychopjv](#): > > are you so blind that you think you can’t possibly slide while going 10? 15mph? there is black ice in places and stopping can be a huge issue even if you are doing 20 under the limit. So you’re admitting to the fact that you do not have control over your vehicle no matter what speed you’re traveling??? You’re telling me that the camera will change the fact that you are driving too fast for conditions? The camera does nothing to effect your stopping distance or the conditions of the street. Those 2 things are the main factors in how you should drive, the camera will just catch you if you go through the light. I’ve been driving as long as anyone and I’ve only ever slid through 1 intersection due to ice and snow. I was 17 and it was my first time driving my trans am in the winter. It didn’t have any back brakes so it just plowed through the intersection. I was wrong. If there was a cop there or a camera I would have received a ticket. BUT the conditions weren’t only bad for me… so the vehicles waiting to enter the intersection were waiting to see what was going to happen with me before they proceeded… like humans would. > [@somedude](#): > > wow my company has 60+ trucks rolling around… that is a lot of money they will be paying out to the state haha. Or they will learn how to stop at red lights. I thought it was a pretty simple concept. > [@skylinez07](#): > > Im in for them. My two main accidents were from people running a red light. I agree 100%. Yes… rear end collisions will increase. They are slow speed and much more survivable than a t-bone collision from someone running a red light. Don’t talk about that though… these guys are more worried about $50 than someone’s safety. > [@mike125k](#): > > If they do so much to help with traffic safety then why have 9 states ruled them illegal and banned them? > > “Alaska, Arkansas, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, Utah, West Virginia and Wisconsin banned automated citations either through judicial or legislative action.” When NYS bans them … then great. Are those other states ranked #1 for highest taxes ever? What about piss poor management of state money? No? NYS is. Thats why we are getting them. > [@longuyen88](#): > > Ok Jack, > > So you’re on the your motorcycle which stops on a dime to beat that shortened yellow light. What happens when the redneck in the lifted truck behind you rams you when his truck cannot stop in the same distance? You will trust other drivers to stop in time? The last place I’m bringing my bike is the city. Fuck that. How many lifted redneck trucks do you see in the city? 3? One of them was me, and I’m done paying $15 to park the fucking thing at the arena. The stopping distance on my truck is plenty short to make a complete stop from 35mph within the space between me and any vehicle in front of me, especially a motorcycle. Again, I think you guys are missing something. Why are all of these people running red lights in the first place? Why are you so concerned with not being able to stop? The road is the same. The weather is the same. The people are the same. Now all of a sudden there is a consequence if you don’t stop and immediately people forget how to drive and they are rear ending eachother left and right. They aren’t going to reduce the time on a yellow light. > [@Avatar](#): > > Jack, judging by you opinions, you must not drive in the city often. I’ve driven in the city enough to know how shitty it is. I avoid the city. There is no reason to go there. Ever. (Unless it is an event at the arena, in which case you just jump off the thruway, go to the arena and then go home). ---
**Author:** ![Gus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gus/32/5112_2.png) [@Gus](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/154 "2009-04-08T14:35:13Z")
^ amen. These camera’s are no big deal. Everyone just needs to grow up. We have 0 control over this city. ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/155 "2009-04-08T15:02:49Z")
> [@Gus](#): > > We have 0 control over this city. If you don’t voice your opinion to your elected officials or go out and vote for them, then yes, you’re right, you have no control. For those who do take an active part, you do have some control. ---
**Author:** ![02NismoSpecV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/0/74df32/32.png) [@02NismoSpecV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/02NismoSpecV)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/156 "2009-04-08T16:13:40Z")
> [@Jack](#): > > ``` > Originally Posted by psychopjv [![http://www.nyspeed.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif](http://www.nyspeed.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif)](http://nyspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1335275#post1335275) > are you so blind that you think you can't possibly slide while going 10? 15mph? there is black ice in places and stopping can be a huge issue even if you are doing 20 under the limit. > > ``` > > So you’re admitting to the fact that you do not have control over your vehicle no matter what speed you’re traveling??? You’re telling me that the camera will change the fact that you are driving too fast for conditions? The camera does nothing to effect your stopping distance or the conditions of the street. Those 2 things are the main factors in how you should drive, the camera will just catch you if you go through the light. I’ve been driving as long as anyone and I’ve only ever slid through 1 intersection due to ice and snow. I was 17 and it was my first time driving my trans am in the winter. It didn’t have any back brakes so it just plowed through the intersection. I was wrong. If there was a cop there or a camera I would have received a ticket. BUT the conditions weren’t only bad for me… so the vehicles waiting to enter the intersection were waiting to see what was going to happen with me before they proceeded… like humans would. why do you bother posting. just for the sake of arguing and starting shit with people? i agree 100% with pat. you can still slide going 10 mph etc. so the light changes and you can either slide through or just keep going and be out of the way of the intersection and not have to worry about anyone hitting you at the moment unless someones ready to go as soon as it turns green. unless you drive around town going 5mph you can still slide. having control over your vehicle and stopping in a split second for a red light is completely different. you may be driving slow enough to swerve out of the way, stop in a relatively quick time but ice and snow and whatnot change that. just give it up, your posts are irrelevant and just piss people off ---
**Author:** ![psychopjv](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/psychopjv/32/7251_2.png) [@psychopjv](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/psychopjv)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/157 "2009-04-08T16:31:18Z")
i didn’t admit to not being able to control anything. if you can predict the weather and know road conditions so well why aren’t you a weatherman? I am still not justifying going through a redlight. You twist and contort what EVERYONE says to fit your own argument. I honestly don’t care about the camera’s. They will serve their purpose and that will be that. I’m hung up on the fact that you think everyone on the road has complete control of their vehicle at all times. If thats the case you are a complete moron and your head is up your ass. Thinking that you can control everything that happens while you are on the road just shows your stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/158 "2009-04-08T16:34:03Z")
Jack you ever been in a city with these? ---
**Author:** ![BigEd88](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/biged88/32/5064_2.png) [@BigEd88](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BigEd88)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/159 "2009-04-08T16:40:50Z")
Ok first off, your all thinking about the pussy way out of these cameras. If you drive a performance car, forget the whole “slam on the brakes at yellow” mind set. I say gun it and beat the red all together! There’s that tipping point of gunning it or hitting the breaks, most of the time, floor it! > [@LZ](#): > > This is the same concept as the red light cameras…They don’t give out points you get a fine… Those would kinda be like a trap speed radar trophy. > [@Griff](#): > > exactly. If you know the intersection has a camera, just stop on yellows. They are long enough to where you dont have to lock up to stop. > > and turning left under a red light is illegal. it is technically illegal to wait under the light to turn. Actually its illegal to enter an intersection until its clear and previous vehicles have cleared, giving that car the right of way. > [@Joehip](#): > > As someone who both woks and lives in the city, the biggest problem I see is this. The lights in the city (except for Oak and Elm) are not timed which is annoying as all hell. During rush hours, it is not uncommon to see cars backed up through intersections…do they all get tickets because they spent an entire light cycle sitting idle in the intersection? Also it does not matter how careful of a driver you are, people hate getting caught at 3-4 redlights in a row, so there is a lot of tailgating to try and beat the lights. If people were all of the sudden start hitting the brakes on yellows, there will be more rear end collisions. > > I also hope this applies for all the busses, cops, and other govt vehicles that never stop for red lights. It pissed me off to no end when someone sits in the middle of an intersection and damn well knows they couldn’t get through it. The law says, don’t enter an intersection you can’t get through, sounds like it contradicts the prevous but it doesn’t for some reason that someone explained to me that I don’t remember now. Your also not supposed to block side roads 😛 Its an emergency vehicle thing. > [@boxxa](#): > > Photoshop the light green and send it back to them 🙂 > > Maybe a dumb question but how do these things take pictures of your plates at night or in bad weather? It doesn’t seem that there is some ultra high technology going on in these cameras and you might be able to distort the image enough to fight it. > > GPS companies can also make a fortune selling services that update you when approaching a red light camera intersection. Future iPhone app FTW 🙂 Bad weather, run em, your plate is covered by snow, go for it. I know I can buy “POI’s” or Points of Interest alerts based on red light cameras and speed traps for my Garmin. > [@boxxa](#): > > Ah ok. I just remember when Shredd and Regan were promoting the movement against this, a lot of people were talking about points on them so didn’t know what came of that. > > Ok. I never looked to have a argument against them, just curious how these things worked cuz I am the dumbass that will stop in the white zone. I guess if you arent going to make the stop in time, might as well at least go through it. Haha Based on the picture, these things snap off pictures at every red cycle, so really it can’t take a picture of your plate if your not in the intersection…I don’t think they have “starting line” staging lights at all these red lights. ---
**Author:** ![cougarspeed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cougarspeed/32/7468_2.png) [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009/160 "2009-04-08T17:08:24Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Jack you ever been in a city with these? I remember getting one in Charlotte a few years ago in the Z with the tops off. I have no objection to these but in Buffalo I do think a bunch of people are going to get undeserving tickets in the winter months. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/red-light-photos-in-buffalo/65009.md?page=9)