# Rendell FTL **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [February 5, 2007, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860 "2007-02-05T13:35:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Blackbelt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blackbelt/32/5998_2.png) [@Blackbelt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blackbelt)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/81 "2007-02-06T11:50:12Z")
> [@LA1 3400 discussion](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/la1-3400-discussion/27781/10): > > you have to be delinquent on your property taxes for a long while before that happens. Doesn’t matter, you are just arguing timing. Bottom line is the governemnt CAN and WILL seize your land and your home for unpaid property taxes. Check the sheriff sales that are by law published in the newspapers if you don’t believe me. As long as they can do this, do you actually own your property? ---
**Author:** ![Blackbelt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blackbelt/32/5998_2.png) [@Blackbelt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blackbelt)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/82 "2007-02-06T11:55:20Z")
> : > Originally Posted by Blackbelt View Post > That is incorrect. If you do not pay your property taxes, your property will be seized and sold at a sheriffs sale. I KNEW you would pull that tired old line that renters pay property taxes. They do not. Landlords CANNOT figure in all of the property taxes into rent they charge becasue there are market forces at play that prevent them from doing so. I was once a landlord, so i know first hand. Different locations have different rates of taxation, so if a property owner tries to recoup a tax increase, his property may be vacated in favor of another property where they didnt raise the rent to cover property taxes. > If you benefit from a service(like you have kids in school), then you should PAY for that! > [@lady problems.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lady-problems/27650/299): > > this is really a pointless argument. Because i am correct. Do you pay property taxes? Have you ever paid property taxes? Do you own rental property? Have you ever had to manage properties? What may sound right in theory does not always work in the real world. I am surprised that someone with such Libertarian leanings would be so in favor of something like property taxes… ---
**Author:** ![Blackbelt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blackbelt/32/5998_2.png) [@Blackbelt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blackbelt)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/83 "2007-02-06T11:57:15Z")
> [@does anyone know where i can get an F1 exhaust?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/does-anyone-know-where-i-can-get-an-f1-exhaust/27802/3): > > blind faith in a leader is not either Very true! ---
**Author:** ![imported\_showtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/51bf81/32.png) [@imported\_showtime](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_showtime)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/84 "2007-02-06T12:02:54Z")
> [@Just bought a new bike](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/just-bought-a-new-bike/27665/26): > > Doesn’t matter, you are just arguing timing. Bottom line is the governemnt CAN and WILL seize your land and your home for unpaid property taxes. Check the sheriff sales that are by law published in the newspapers if you don’t believe me. As long as they can do this, do you actually own your property? like i said…tax or not…if they want it they will take it ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/85 "2007-02-06T12:05:42Z")
> [@Screw that pussy train horn on car BS.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/screw-that-pussy-train-horn-on-car-bs/27779/18): > > Because i am correct. Do you pay property taxes? Have you ever paid property taxes? Do you own rental property? Have you ever had to manage properties? What may sound right in theory does not always work in the real world. > > I am surprised that someone with such Libertarian leanings would be so in favor of something like property taxes… I am against property taxes in all forms. The argument as to whether or not renters pay property tax, is a matter of the landlord. If the landlord is paying property tax out of pocket, he made some poor business decisions at some point and he is paying the price. The “I want to be a landlord so I can get rich” fad has unduly inflated the prices of many such “rental” friendly properties. If I have to pay to get people to live in my rental properties, I would be better off buying CDs at PNC. ---
**Author:** ![Blackbelt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blackbelt/32/5998_2.png) [@Blackbelt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blackbelt)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/86 "2007-02-06T12:19:03Z")
> [@beat90tsi"](#): > > I am against property taxes in all forms. > > The argument as to whether or not renters pay property tax, is a matter of the landlord. If the landlord is paying property tax out of pocket, he made some poor business decisions at some point and he is paying the price. The “I want to be a landlord so I can get rich” fad has unduly inflated the prices of many such “rental” friendly properties. If I have to pay to get people to live in my rental properties, I would be better off buying CDs at PNC. The point i was trying to make ( i am obviously not doing a very good job of making it) is that due to market forces beyond his/her control, a landlord cannot always pass along various parts of the property tax to the tenent. I hated being a landlord, and was happy as hell to sell the house and get out of being one. BUt to say all renters are paying property taxes just isn’t accurate. However, if in fact that WERE true, then in theory, eliminating property tax should result in lower rents, thereby giving renters more money in which to pay a flat income or sales tax. SOunds fair to me! ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/87 "2007-02-06T12:20:23Z")
> [@Screw that pussy train horn on car BS.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/screw-that-pussy-train-horn-on-car-bs/27779/18): > > Because i am correct. Do you pay property taxes? Have you ever paid property taxes? Do you own rental property? Have you ever had to manage properties? What may sound right in theory does not always work in the real world. > > I am surprised that someone with such Libertarian leanings would be so in favor of something like property taxes… it seems like one of the more reasonable ways to be taxed IMHO. Everyone that lives in the community chips in for the social services they all enjoy. :dunno: ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/88 "2007-02-06T12:23:57Z")
> [@300zx guys chime in...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/300zx-guys-chime-in/27743/13): > > However, if in fact that WERE true, then in theory, eliminating property tax should result in lower rents, thereby giving renters more money in which to pay a flat income or sales tax. SOunds fair to me! either way they’re still paying taxes. What’s the difference? ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/89 "2007-02-06T12:32:17Z")
What’s the difference? Taxing commerce makes a little bit of sense. Making people pay taxes year after year for something they already own is preposterous. There is a tax on the purchase, why should it be taxed indefinitely? Besides, I have no kids in school, and that is one of the primary uses of property tax revenue. The people paying the tax aren’t reaping the benefit. That is the problem with most of our taxes. Look who is getting our social security money… ---
**Author:** ![Blackbelt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blackbelt/32/5998_2.png) [@Blackbelt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blackbelt)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/90 "2007-02-06T12:38:00Z")
> [@\<3 Will Ferrell](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/3-will-ferrell/27783/14): > > it seems like one of the more reasonable ways to be taxed IMHO. Everyone that lives in the community chips in for the social services they all enjoy. :dunno: BUt a flat income or sales tax would be much fairer. If everyone benefits from these services, why should property owners have to shoulder a disproportionate share of the burden. WHy should old retired people have to pay so much of their fixed incomes just because the house they bought and live in has appreciated in value? Just because someone owns a home or land that has a good value does not mean they have a high income and can easily afford an onerous property tax. A sales tax is the fairest way for everyone to pay a “fair share” for the services they receive. ---
**Author:** ![JackdUp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jackdup/32/6015_2.png) [@JackdUp](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JackdUp)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/91 "2007-02-06T12:39:04Z")
> [@beat90tsi"](#): > > What’s the difference? Taxing commerce makes a little bit of sense. > > Making people pay taxes year after year for something they already own is preposterous. There is a tax on the purchase, why should it be taxed indefinitely? Flat tax FTW. You consume, you pay. You don’t consume, you don’t pay. That being said, I’d be willing to insert a clause for a fair school tax to ensure that future generations get the equal chance to learn how to socialize, do algebra, eat bad lunches, get cheated on in high-school relationships, join a sports team, get bullied, etc. ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/92 "2007-02-06T13:02:15Z")
> [@FS: DSM PERFORMANCE PARTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-dsm-performance-parts/27797/5): > > for a fair school tax to ensure that future generations get the equal chance to learn how to socialize Oh, future generations in this country will definitely socialize…unless someone starts a revolution. (I know I am taking your comment out of context.) ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/93 "2007-02-06T13:34:19Z")
> [@beat90tsi"](#): > > Making people pay taxes year after year for something they already own is preposterous. because someone has to pay for the roads, schools, ambulances, fire dept, police dept, public works… Its probably the only tax that actually goes to something worthwhile. > Besides, I have no kids in school, and that is one of the primary uses of property tax revenue. The people paying the tax aren’t reaping the benefit. That is the problem with most of our taxes. Look who is getting our social security money… getting kids a good education benefits everyone in society. As far a social security, another good idea on paper, bad idea in practice social program. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/94 "2007-02-06T13:37:41Z")
> [@Found my dream car in Cali...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/found-my-dream-car-in-cali/27771/13): > > BUt a flat income or sales tax would be much fairer. If everyone benefits from these services, why should property owners have to shoulder a disproportionate share of the burden. WHy should old retired people have to pay so much of their fixed incomes just because the house they bought and live in has appreciated in value? Just because someone owns a home or land that has a good value does not mean they have a high income and can easily afford an onerous property tax. > A sales tax is the fairest way for everyone to pay a “fair share” for the services they receive. Eh… its another good option. They both have their upsides and downsides. Either way, if the government would stop spending our money like MC Hammer in Vegas, everyone in the country would save a crapload of money. ---
**Author:** ![Blackbelt](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blackbelt/32/5998_2.png) [@Blackbelt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blackbelt)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/95 "2007-02-06T13:39:36Z")
> [@Bar Stoo Racer! a Real mans st00l!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bar-stoo-racer-a-real-mans-st00l/27811/2): > > Eh… its another good option. They both have their upsides and downsides. Either way, if the government would stop spending our money like MC Hammer in Vegas, everyone in the country would save a crapload of money. On that i totally agree ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/96 "2007-02-06T13:41:49Z")
> [@FS: DSM PERFORMANCE PARTS](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-dsm-performance-parts/27797/5): > > Flat tax FTW. You consume, you pay. You don’t consume, you don’t pay. > > That being said, I’d be willing to insert a clause for a fair school tax to ensure that future generations get the equal chance to learn how to socialize, do algebra, eat bad lunches, get cheated on in high-school relationships, join a sports team, get bullied, etc. we’re the richest country in the world, but we’re also in debt up to our eyeballs. The citizens of this country need to think of the government as a corporation. Corporations are held responsible to their stockholders. They need to be maximizing profits. If the US Government was a corporation, it would be one of the most poorly run EVER. 10 trillion in debt and counting. ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/97 "2007-02-06T13:42:24Z")
> [@Bar Stoo Racer! a Real mans st00l!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/bar-stoo-racer-a-real-mans-st00l/27811/2): > > Either way, if the government would stop spending our money like MC Hammer in Vegas, everyone in the country would save a crapload of money. Spoken like a true libertarian. There are about 1000 areas of our lives where the gov needs to STFU and stay out. One more thing. Thomas Jefferson was pretty intelligent. He opposed a centralized currency, too bad nobody listened. How would they collect taxes from us, if we didn’t have a standard dollar used to pay for everything? For example, you cut my grass, I detail your car…nothing to report, nothing to be taxed. ---
**Author:** ![Darkstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@Darkstar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Darkstar)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/98 "2007-02-06T13:44:44Z")
> [@lady problems.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lady-problems/27650/322): > > Spoken like a true libertarian. There are about 1000 areas of our lives where the gov needs to STFU and stay out. I registered Libertarian the day I turned 18. Vote Libertarian anytime I see one on the ballot. ---
**Author:** ![beat90tsi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@beat90tsi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beat90tsi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/99 "2007-02-06T13:52:04Z")
> [@lady problems.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lady-problems/27650/325): > > I registered Libertarian the day I turned 18. Vote Libertarian anytime I see one on the ballot. I thought I remembered you supporting socialized medicine. Is that true? If so, is that a place where you disagree with the Libertarian stance? ---
**Author:** ![JackdUp](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jackdup/32/6015_2.png) [@JackdUp](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JackdUp)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860/100 "2007-02-06T13:53:55Z")
> [@Found my dream car in Cali...](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/found-my-dream-car-in-cali/27771/17): > > we’re the richest country in the world, but we’re also in debt up to our eyeballs. > The citizens of this country need to think of the government as a corporation. Corporations are held responsible to their stockholders. They need to be maximizing profits. If the US Government was a corporation, it would be one of the most poorly run EVER. 10 trillion in debt and counting. Yeah…I’ve said that before! 😃 > [@hurricane katrina was bush's fault](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/hurricane-katrina-was-bushs-fault/25858/14): > > If the federal government was a company, the investors would have walked away long ago. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/rendell-ftl/187860.md?page=6)