# Report: GM may buy BMW engines **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [March 1, 2008, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250 "2008-03-01T14:01:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/41 "2008-03-03T06:44:26Z")
> **[Automotive industry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automaker)** > > The automotive industry is a wide range of companies and organizations involved in the design, development, manufacturing, marketing, and selling of motor vehicles, some of them are called automakers. It is one of the world's most important economic sectors by revenue. The automotive industry does not include industries dedicated to the maintenance of automobiles following delivery to the end-user, such as automobile repair shops and motor fuel filling stations. The term automotive was created fr... …and I know in Q1 2007 Toyota was still #1 in global sales ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/42 "2008-03-03T06:50:34Z")
OMG did you just quote wikipedia as fact checking source? you’re done for the day, go sit down. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/43 "2008-03-03T06:53:08Z")
Sorry, I didn’t think this was a such a scholarly forum. [http://oica.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/ranking06.pdf](http://oica.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/ranking06.pdf) The reference is right under the table, but maybe you couldn’t see from way up in your ivory tower… ---
**Author:** ![nappy1380](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nappy1380/32/7502_2.png) [@nappy1380](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nappy1380)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/44 "2008-03-03T07:01:48Z")
> [@Avatar](#): > > GM is selling more than Toyota, globally? Really? > > I know for a fact Toyota outpaced GM in 2007. > > [Automotive industry - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automaker) > > …and I know in Q1 2007 Toyota was still #1 in global sales > > [http://oica.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/ranking06.pdf](http://oica.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/ranking06.pdf) > > The reference is right under the table, but maybe you couldn’t see from way up in your ivory tower… I don’t see any 2007 numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/45 "2008-03-03T07:05:24Z")
OMG… Use google [http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2008/01/23/075674.html](http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2008/01/23/075674.html) _edit for accuracy:_ Actual numbers: > **[In Global Race, G.M. Wins by a Day of Pickup Sales](https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/business/24auto.html?_r=1&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/A/Automobiles&oref=slogin)** > > It was effectively a tie, but General Motors emerged from last year’s hard-fought global sales race with Toyota feeling like the winner. Basically, a tie with GM squeaking out a 3k unit gap ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/46 "2008-03-03T07:10:12Z")
> [@Avatar](#): > > Sorry, I didn’t think this was a such a scholarly forum. > > [http://oica.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/ranking06.pdf](http://oica.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/ranking06.pdf) > > The reference is right under the table, but maybe you couldn’t see from way up in your ivory tower… It is when you’re saying 2+2=5. The PDF youposted is from OICA, which is not exactly an in dustry heavyweight > The Organisation Internationale des Constructeurs d’Automobiles coordinates communication among manufacturers and manages a number of international auto shows. The PDF itself is headered “World motor vehicle production” _correspondents survey, without double counts_. And even mentions _provisional figures._ And then goes on to **show 2006…** Well. lets look at some actual numbers. You implied that Toyota outsold GM > [@Avatar](#): > > GM is selling more than Toyota, globally? Really? > > I know **_for a fact_** Toyota outpaced GM in 2007. Even though the _2007 numbers rolled out in January…_showed: [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22801376/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22801376/) > updated 8:33 p.m. ET, Wed., Jan. 23, 2008 > > GM’s figure of 9,369,524 vehicles sold around the world … > Late Wednesday, Toyota said it sold 9.366 million … ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/47 "2008-03-03T07:11:12Z")
> [@Avatar](#): > > Sorry, I didn’t think this was a such a scholarly forum. > [@Avatar](#): > > OMG… Use google :gotme: 😉 ---
**Author:** ![nappy1380](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nappy1380/32/7502_2.png) [@nappy1380](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nappy1380)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/48 "2008-03-03T07:11:24Z")
Why should I find your facts for you?? ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/49 "2008-03-03T07:16:45Z")
> Why should I find your facts for you?? Because it would be good for you. Don’t criticize the references I give you. If you don’t like them, find your own. Google is a fine research tool. I don’t know about you, Nikuk, but I don’t run to the library every time I want to look something up. This is 2008. Maybe we should talk about growth in sales if straight sales numbers don’t do it for you… Anything else? ---
**Author:** ![nappy1380](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nappy1380/32/7502_2.png) [@nappy1380](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nappy1380)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/50 "2008-03-03T07:21:37Z")
> [@Avatar](#): > > Because it would be good for you. > > Don’t criticize the references I give you. If you don’t like them, find your own. No it wouldn’t, it would be good for you. Even though I am just killing time between classes so i guess I could have, but nah. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/51 "2008-03-03T07:24:03Z")
> [@Avatar](#): > > Google is a fine research tool. I don’t know about you, Nikuk, but I don’t run to the library every time I want to look something up. This is 2008. > > Anything else? I never criticized google, I took offense to you trying to post Wikipedia as a fact source… considering that it is nothing more then the worlds largest blog. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/52 "2008-03-03T07:29:51Z")
Wikipedia has its faults, but for the purpose of being an easily digestible fact resource (with references) it does the job. If I were writing a submission to a scholarly journal (which I have done) I would do the research. For NYSpeed I’ll gladly let someone else do it for me. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/53 "2008-03-03T07:32:10Z")
How about we get back on topic. Is there any indication as to which motors could be used in GM’s? ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/54 "2008-03-03T07:32:11Z")
> [@Avatar](#): > > Wikipedia has its faults, but for the purpose of being an easily digestible fact resource (with references) it does the job. If I were writing a submission to a scholarly journal (which I have done) I would do the research. For NYSpeed I’ll gladly let someone else do it for me. Then don’t so easily befuddled when you’re called out on it. ---
**Author:** ![Nikuk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/nikuk/32/7254_2.png) [@Nikuk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Nikuk)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/55 "2008-03-03T07:32:28Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > How about we get back on topic. > > Is there any indication as to which motors could be used in GM’s? NO. NO. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/56 "2008-03-03T07:37:13Z")
LOL I’ll see if I can improve on my befuddlement as soon as I figure out how I demonstrated befuddlement. Back OT: I don’t think it has been mentioned, but last I read Fiat is in on this little pow-wow too. It has something to do with the hybrid technology BMW, Chrysler, and GM have been working on. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/57 "2008-03-03T07:41:25Z")
I was seriously looking at Saturn Vue’s when I bought my Xterra because they came with Honda drivetrains for a few years. A small/midsized SUV with a BMW I6 sounds tempting too. ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/58 "2008-03-03T07:55:41Z")
umm… Google can be your friend… GM 2007: 9.369M Toyota 2007: 9.366M [http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=124482](http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=124482) As for which motors, since GM cancelled the Northstar replacement, I’d bet any of the V8’s would be up for grabs. And yes, GM, BMW and DCX (pre-divorce) were working on the two-mode hybrid transmission that’s now in the Tahoe, so I’d bet that the engine deal is part of a quid-pro-quo (similar to the rumors that the Honda deal was for OnStar help). ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/59 "2008-03-03T08:04:14Z")
GM cancelled the Northstar replacement because of the new emissions laws, so unless BMW has a more efficient V8 than GM could design I’d doubt that. :shrug: ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250/60 "2008-03-03T08:14:57Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > GM cancelled the Northstar replacement because of the new emissions laws, so unless BMW has a more efficient V8 than GM could design I’d doubt that. :shrug: Umm, the V8 in the new M3 gets 420 hp from 4.0L, while the Northstar had 320 from 4.6L…? And I’d bet that buying the motor from BMW makes more economic sense for a low-volume app than engineering a whole new V8, especially given the new CAFE “environment” GM is working with. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/report-gm-may-buy-bmw-engines/44250.md?page=4)