# S14 Subframe **URL:** \ **Category:** SON240sx Automotive\ **Created:** [March 12, 2004, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706 "2004-03-12T23:11:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Souljourner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Souljourner](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Souljourner)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706/1 "2004-03-12T23:11:57Z")
Hey guys, any idea on the procedure involved in installing the S14 rear subframe on an S14? ---
**Author:** ![Souljourner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Souljourner](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Souljourner)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706/2 "2004-03-13T15:15:15Z")
> [@FrEaK](#): > > 4 bolts… Drop subframe… reverse order… new sub frame… > > It’s not “hard” but it’s extremely awkward and you need to remove other parts of the car before you drop it, such as exhaust, and so on… > > As least for the s13 you do… Cool… what about brake lines and fuel lines? do I have to remove those? ---
**Author:** ![iQuAGoD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f05b48/32.png) [@iQuAGoD](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/iQuAGoD)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706/3 "2004-03-13T16:15:18Z")
Anything that will catch on the subframe or anything attached to the subframe must be removed. ---
**Author:** ![Souljourner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Souljourner](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Souljourner)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706/4 "2004-03-13T16:59:16Z")
> [@iQuABoB](#): > > Anything that will catch on the subframe or anything attached to the subframe must be removed. cool… but do you guys know what is attached to the frame? Gas lines, brake lines? Any ideas? ---
**Author:** ![Sm0ke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sm0ke](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Sm0ke)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706/5 "2004-03-13T17:02:51Z")
Lift the car and take a look… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SHIFT_KA24DET)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706/6 "2004-03-13T22:21:59Z")
The only thing that will be attached is the brake lines and the e-brake lines. Fuel lines run along the frame rails. As for getting components out of the way you will need to remove exhaust and rear sway bar. I actually just did a sub frame swap today from hicas to non-hicas so I got some pictures of the sub frame I will post shortly. Tomorrow I will take some pictures of the under carriage. ---
**Author:** ![SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SHIFT_KA24DET)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706/7 "2004-03-13T22:30:10Z")
![http://membersdb.son240sx.ca/images/membersdb/1009_picture_1789edit.jpg](http://membersdb.son240sx.ca/images/membersdb/1009_picture_1789edit.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Souljourner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Souljourner](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Souljourner)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706/8 "2004-03-13T22:48:09Z")
wow nice!! what was your most difficult part? ---
**Author:** ![SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SHIFT_KA24DET)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706/9 "2004-03-13T22:49:58Z")
If you look at the bottom left bushing you will see it is missing. It was seized so we had to melt it off but that was about the extent of our troubles. ---
**Author:** ![SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SHIFT_KA24DET)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706/10 "2004-03-13T22:51:33Z")
My Advice get an Impact Drill will make the swap about 10000x easier than using manual tools. You will also lessen your chances of stripping, snapping or spinning any rusted out bolts. ---
**Author:** ![Souljourner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Souljourner](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Souljourner)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706/11 "2004-03-14T07:15:33Z")
> [@SHIFT\_SR20DET](#): > > If you look at the bottom left bushing you will see it is missing. It was > seized so we had to melt it off but that was about the extent of our troubles. Hey cool! thanks for the advice. How many guys do you think is needed for this swap? Is the subframe really heavy? ---
**Author:** ![SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SHIFT_KA24DET)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706/12 "2004-03-14T15:18:51Z")
I did it by myself man. Its not that heavy ~300lbs without the LSD. ---
**Author:** ![SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SHIFT_KA24DET)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2004, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706/13 "2004-03-14T17:03:50Z")
Here is a picture of the Sub Frame Undercarriage ![http://membersdb.son240sx.ca/images/membersdb/1009_sub_frame_undercarriage_small.jpg](http://membersdb.son240sx.ca/images/membersdb/1009_sub_frame_undercarriage_small.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Souljourner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Souljourner](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Souljourner)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 2:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706/14 "2004-03-15T02:02:04Z")
> [@SHIFT\_SR20DET](#): > > I did it by myself man. > > Its not that heavy ~300lbs without the LSD. Holy shit! How the heck did you do this all by yourself? ---
**Author:** ![SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@SHIFT\_KA24DET](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/SHIFT_KA24DET)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706/15 "2004-03-15T11:06:58Z")
With an Impact Drill and a Hoist. 😛 What the trick was: - Remove Subframe Bolts - Lower the car to the ground. - Remove the Shock Tower Bolts - Lift the car back up and BAM! The Subframe is nicely on the ground. Just reverse the order and you have then completed a Subframe Swap! ---
**Author:** ![Souljourner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Souljourner](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Souljourner)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706/16 "2004-03-15T18:49:03Z")
> [@SHIFT\_SR20DET](#): > > With an Impact Drill and a Hoist. 😛 > > What the trick was: > > - Remove Subframe Bolts > - Lower the car to the ground. > - Remove the Shock Tower Bolts > - Lift the car back up and BAM! > > The Subframe is nicely on the ground. > > Just reverse the order and you have then completed a Subframe Swap! WOW! nice writeup! I am going to do that tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![\_M\_aurice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/c5a1d2/32.png) [@\_M\_aurice](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/_M_aurice)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2004, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/s14-subframe/80706/17 "2004-03-15T19:55:29Z")
I think he forgot to mention BE CAREFUL. As opvious as it seems, (to be careful) it is a good practice to have someone nearby, just in case.