# Sad but true. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [July 21, 2006, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-but-true/14889 "2006-07-21T21:17:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-but-true/14889/21 "2006-07-22T22:15:35Z")
> [@ghettostyleTA](#): > > i should just mod a vw tdi and say fuck all this eventually Fixed. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Pass\_McGass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pass_mcgass/32/7616_2.png) [@Pass\_McGass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pass_McGass)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-but-true/14889/22 "2006-07-22T22:22:59Z")
meh, i just watched this 2 hour special on the discovery channel with tom brokaw (sp?) about global warming…and its pretty scary. ---
**Author:** ![Pass\_McGass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pass_mcgass/32/7616_2.png) [@Pass\_McGass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pass_McGass)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-but-true/14889/23 "2006-07-22T22:32:44Z")
I guess another point im trying to make, is that a lot of people have a lot of money. Now, lot of those people care about having an efficient vehicle, energy saver appliances at home, etc. More and more of these rich people are buying these types of cars. How much is a full service on an enzo? Yet, there will never NOT be an owner for one. More people buying these types of cars means more hybrids and EVs being produced and they become cheaper, the technology within them becomes more advanced and BAM! Suzuki starts making electrics that will go 2000 miles on 1 charge and run an 11 second 1/4 mile. Edit- And yes I know more electrics means more energy being used. ---
**Author:** ![rj-92](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rj-92/32/7310_2.png) [@rj-92](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rj-92)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-but-true/14889/24 "2006-07-22T23:50:05Z")
I think its hillarious how automotive has moved so ar forward in the last 20 years but cars only get ~30 MPG. My friend recently bought an '82 Caviler. Yep that’s right the frist year they produced the caviler. On his recent rip to Cleveland he got 44 MPG out of a carburator, pushrods and a 4-speed trans. No OD folks! 4th is a direct gear, and this thing is shaped like a box. How come modern cars with variable valve timing, electronic DIS ignitions, fuel injection and more sensors than the Apollo moon landing craft can’t match that? Or how about diesel fuel and E85 which both cost about half to produce than gasoline cost exactly the same as gas. AHHH, capitolism at its finest. ---
**Author:** ![ly555is](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3bc359/32.png) [@ly555is](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ly555is)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2006, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-but-true/14889/25 "2006-07-22T23:55:04Z")
\*i’m sure the car’s madd light too… since there were prolly like no options and a poor crash-test rating on it but maybe i’m wrong… ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-but-true/14889/26 "2006-07-23T05:43:11Z")
I think/hope we run out of oil before we cook this planet with greenhouse gases. No matter how good for the environment they are, alternative fuel vehicles will not gain popularity until they are cheaper to own and operate than gas vehicles. It’s not catching on in the US, the most developed country in the world, because people can’t/won’t afford it. People in 2nd and 3rd world countries don’t and can’t give a flying fuck about what their car does to the environment when they need to get to work as cheaply as possible to make a buck an hour to feed themselves. At this point in time hybrids are a fad for rich Americans to feel good about themselves. If it were an option for myself, I would totally rock a straight up electric for daily driving and a windmill in my backyard. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![Daddie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/daddie/32/7621_2.png) [@Daddie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Daddie)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-but-true/14889/27 "2006-07-23T08:02:51Z")
E85 isn’t a great idea… most of our corn producing states have no railroads / waterway access to distribute it around the US… it’s gonna have to be by trucks, which is expensive as fuuuuck ---
**Author:** ![PitLord](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pitlord/32/7584_2.png) [@PitLord](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PitLord)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-but-true/14889/28 "2006-07-23T08:31:30Z")
yes trucking is expensive… but when corn producing states ramp up production to feed an e85 driven US, the shipping cost will drop pretty fast do to the sheer volume of corn and fuel… oh and even the backwater areas of the midwest have railroads, so I don’t really see too huge of a problem… ---
**Author:** ![Pass\_McGass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pass_mcgass/32/7616_2.png) [@Pass\_McGass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pass_McGass)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-but-true/14889/29 "2006-07-23T10:36:32Z")
> [@BikerFry](#): > > I think/hope we run out of oil before we cook this planet with greenhouse gases. If youve watched/read about how quickly we are changing the earths climate and how we are speeding up the GHE, you would know that that will never happen. ---
**Author:** ![Pass\_McGass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/pass_mcgass/32/7616_2.png) [@Pass\_McGass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Pass_McGass)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-but-true/14889/30 "2006-07-23T10:37:21Z")
> [@Daddie](#): > > E85 isn’t a great idea… > > most of our corn producing states have no railroads / waterway access to distribute it around the US… it’s gonna have to be by trucks, which is expensive as fuuuuck Corn sucks for e85 anyway, hemp is the way to go. ---
**Author:** ![ly555is](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3bc359/32.png) [@ly555is](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ly555is)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-but-true/14889/31 "2006-07-23T13:19:34Z")
> [@rj-92](#): > > I think its hillarious how automotive has moved so ar forward in the last 20 years but cars only get ~30 MPG. My friend recently bought an '82 Caviler. Yep that’s right the frist year they produced the caviler. On his recent rip to Cleveland he got 44 MPG out of a carburator, pushrods and a 4-speed trans. No OD folks! 4th is a direct gear, and this thing is shaped like a box. How come modern cars with variable valve timing, electronic DIS ignitions, fuel injection and more sensors than the Apollo moon landing craft can’t match that? Or how about diesel fuel and E85 which both cost about half to produce than gasoline cost exactly the same as gas. AHHH, capitolism at its finest. from [http://www.fueleconomy.gov](http://www.fueleconomy.gov/) , and [http://www.safercar.gov/](http://www.safercar.gov/): 1985 Chevrolet Cavalier 4 cyl, 2.0 L, Manual (4 sp), (FFS), Regular 26/35 - 30 MPG combined 2004 Chevrolet Cavalier 4 cyl, 2.2 L, Manual (5-sp), (NA), Regular 26/37 - 30 MPG combined Vehicle curb weight: 2594 lbs wonder how much the '82/'85 cars weighed… [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-but-true/14889.md?page=1)