# Sad day... unions killed the Twinkie
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**Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic
**Created:** [November 16, 2012, 6:54am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233 "2012-11-16T06:54:28Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 4:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/61 "2012-11-17T04:49:38Z")
> [@misteroman](#):
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> I was making $90 an hr yesterday if that makes you feel better. I didnt have to push any buttons tho.:wavey: only $45 today so im definitely not pressing any today either!!!
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> Ive been saying the for yrs. The union protects the lazy trash here. If u come to work and do your job, the boss is not going to bother you. Every once in a while you might get a rogue boss trying to make a name for himself and thats when the union should step in but its very rare
It doesn’t make me mad lol
Get money
Just realize in a global economy GM can’t support that model forever
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### Author:  [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/62 "2012-11-17T04:57:47Z")
Don’t worry the tax payer will be forced to.
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### Author:  [@ubengineering](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ubengineering)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 5:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/63 "2012-11-17T05:42:47Z")
> [@misteroman](#):
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> I was making $90 an hr yesterday if that makes you feel better. I didnt have to push any buttons tho.:wavey: only $45 today so im definitely not pressing any today either!!!
I didn’t take the TT, I sat home on my balls and watched an American Dad Marathon
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### Author:  [@misteroman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/misteroman)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/64 "2012-11-17T06:04:54Z")
I was so looking to have friday off too but the faster i can make it the faster i can get out of here. I have 12 or 13 yrs in here and cant imagine doing this for another 18 or so. Im working with guy today with a 59 seniority!!! Still working 6+ days a week after 53 yrs. Kind of sad but who am i to judge.
Again ill be the first to say im overpaid unlike some ppl in here that think GM owes them the world, but ill take it while i can and invest it so i can leave when i choose.
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### Author:  [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 6:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/65 "2012-11-17T06:11:43Z")
Has Hostess had any new product line in the past 50 years?
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### Author:  [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/66 "2012-11-17T06:48:00Z")
i hate to sound like such a capitalist but it’s nice to see the market holding people accountable… let’s also bear in mind that the non-unionized management of hostess will also be out of work and will have a similarly challenging time trying to find work elsewhere.
it’s also safe to assume that there is an element of media bias here as well. I would bet that management has been dangling dissolution of the company as a counter-leverage piece for a while and this is just the public part of the stand off. If i were a union head i would push it this far too as an FUUU to management to force them through the bankruptcy.
In any event, an equity group will come along and strip down the assets and Hostess will re-emerge as a leaner machine with better union contracts and fewer pension obligations just like GM and Chrysler did. Albeit on a smaller scale of course. $10 says it’s Bain Capital 🙂
The labourers that deserve their old jobs back will get them back at a 30% discount in compensation. the people that sucked will be forced into an early retirement of complaining about how they deserve XY and Z because of how much they dont think they suck
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### Author:  [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/67 "2012-11-17T07:04:03Z")
Soooooo they were upset that they weren’t making enough money, so now that they closed, these people who weren’t making any money are now making $0. BRILLIANT!
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### Author:  [@08GT500](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/08GT500)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/68 "2012-11-17T07:17:39Z")
Pretty sure there is more to the story than the news portrays.
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### Author:  [@slo\_ride](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slo_ride)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/69 "2012-11-17T07:19:17Z")
i think part of the equation was that many figured they would make more on unemployment for 90 weeks than they would working under the new contract…
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### Author:  [@BOBBYGRV](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BOBBYGRV)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/70 "2012-11-17T07:22:50Z")
> [@slo ride](#):
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> i think part of the equation was that many figured they would make more on unemployment for 90 weeks than they would working under the new contract…
What about after that? Since there aren’t too many jobs right now demanding people and willing to pay them $20 p/ hr…
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### Author:  [@Xander](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Xander)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/71 "2012-11-17T07:41:40Z")
I love it when people talk about “forced to work”. There aren’t chains at your feet and whips on you back, you have your freedom. If you don’t like the hours they ask you to work, go find another job.
x…
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### Author:  [@Geehee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Geehee)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/72 "2012-11-17T08:47:59Z")
> [@LZ](#):
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> Example?
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> Taking safety off the table
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> My personal experience with this is Verizon is union and Timewarner isn’t I know the verizon guys get paid wayyy to much and don’t get shit done :lol:
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> A few years ago when Verizon was having labor/union issues their guys were cutting lines :tup:
I had a couple verizon landline guys handing out anti verizon wireless flyers in front of my store about 6 months ago cause we werent union. I laughed at them.
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### Author:  [@airhead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/airhead)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/73 "2012-11-17T10:15:50Z")
I bet a lot of very obese people will be crying themselves to sleep for a while.
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### Author:  [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/74 "2012-11-17T10:23:58Z")
Legos are completely manufactured and packaged by machines, why can’t Twinkies? THAT would be the biggest wake up call to union workers.
Manufacturing is a delicate balance between technology and labor. As tech costs come down and labor costs go up people lose jobs. I feel the automakers only have so many employees because they are also a big part of their customer base. Hostess doesn’t need their employee customers.
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### Author:  [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/75 "2012-11-17T10:46:34Z")
Twinkies are still gross.
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### Author:  [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/76 "2012-11-17T11:13:20Z")
> [@Carbonfiberhooded](#):
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> More locally, see the Buffalo teachers. Where the state wants to grade the teachers on students performance even if they aren’t in class. But the media flips it saying millions of dollars of state funding will be withheld unless the teachers agree to this! How is that fair. Scum bag parents don’t care enough whether or not their children go to school and the teachers are suppose to pay for it?? Or the whole cosmetic surgery thing. Teachers have said they’ll get rid of it once a new contract is drawn up. But that’s not good enough for the media. Nevermind the fact the teachers last contract expired 9 or 10 years ago and the city refuses to negotiate a new contract. Buffalo teachers have been working under the old contract for years without getting raises. But people think they should just give up a benefit because it’s costing the public money. Because media only tells the bad. Never the good.
What good has the Buffalo teachers union done?
Worst schools in the country?
Insane amount of benefits for teachers?
Made it hard to remove bad teachers?
> [@Carbonfiberhooded](#):
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> It doesn’t matter if unions do good. You NEVER hear about it. Never mind all the union electricians working 1000 of miles away from their families, for weeks straight, 80 hours a week to do everything they can to get power back on for the eastern seaboard. Or teachers that stay after school in the city to help the students that need and actually want the help for no additional pay.
I have family members who are non union teachers who stay and do work on their free time I don’t get how this is relevant.
Most electricians who travel get compensated very well for being away and working long hours regardless or union or non union.
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### Author:  [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/77 "2012-11-17T11:27:30Z")
> [@Carbonfiberhooded](#):
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> There are a few bad eggs that leave it to the union to protect them. That is unfortunate, but again, you only hear about the bad few. Your absolutely right they don’t deserve to be where they are. But you know who are the first to be laid off when things get slow. The bad eggs. At least that’s how it is by me. Unless they have a family hookup higher up. But that priviledge isn’t just in unions. It can be in any business.
I have experience with a few different unions, there are far more bad apples than good in my experiences. The entitlement I see daily blows me away. What good stories can you provide, of unions working to enhance productivity? Not being a dick…I’m being serious.
> [@08GT500](#):
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> I get the union hate but we’re really going to say unions are killing this nation? How about welfare and Medicaid? Forget about those? At least union workers… work.
How about our military spending? We’re hemorrhaging and spread too thin…140 foreign military bases or what not. I’m not a fan of handouts at all…but at least that money cycles in OUR economy.
> [@Carnut](#):
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> I don’t blame unions. I blame greed, the lack of personal responsibility, accountability and sloth. All things that are found in people no matter what your position. I think most rational people have a problem with a system that unjustly protects people.
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> Management may not always make the correct decisions but there is still a cost of doing business. If the cost of business due to labor/benefit costs prices you out of the market what do you expect.
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> It is the responsibility of every single person in those plants, both union and salary, to do everything in their power to ensure their future.
People need to produce fundamental value or it seems their days are numbered in this economy.
> [@LZ](#):
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> Get money
> Just realize in a global economy GM can’t support that model forever
Gotta get it while the gettin is good, it surely won’t be good forever. 😉
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### Author:  [@slo\_ride](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/slo_ride)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/78 "2012-11-17T11:49:26Z")
drove by the local day old hostess store this afternoon and the place was swamped…i typically only ever see 1 or 2 cars there on any given day…today there were probably 30. some of this could of course be pre-thanksgiving bread crumb traffic as it is also a wonder discounter…but later at the grocery store there were almost no hostess products left on the shelves…gotta be hoarders
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### Author:  [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/79 "2012-11-17T13:21:27Z")
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### Author:  [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2012, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sad-day-unions-killed-the-twinkie/227233/80 "2012-11-17T14:07:44Z")
> [@LZ](#):
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> 
Gotta love that “private equity” game.
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