# School Shooting in CT **URL:** \ **Category:** PolitiSUCK\ **Created:** [December 14, 2012, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754 "2012-12-14T09:55:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/401 "2012-12-20T08:55:23Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > I would simply say that to believe controlling guns will have no effect no murder rate is the denial of basic logic. Zero guns mean zero gun shootings. How to effectively legislate guns is the real question. I agree that zero guns means zero shootings. To believe that gun control laws will create a zero guns scenario is denial of reality. We prohibited alcohol and created a huge black market and effectively introduced organized crime to this country. We prohibit drugs and maintain a huge black market that is run by organized crime and its associated violence. If we prohibit guns we will… ---
**Author:** ![Bull49](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bull49/32/7381_2.png) [@Bull49](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bull49)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/402 "2012-12-20T09:02:13Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > I would simply say that to believe controlling guns will have no effect no murder rate is the denial of basic logic. Zero guns mean zero gun shootings. How to effectively legislate guns is the real question. Right, because making drugs illegal made them disappear. Edit- ah fuck I didn’t refresh my page. Read fry’s reply ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/403 "2012-12-20T09:23:21Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > I agree that zero guns means zero shootings. To believe that gun control laws will create a zero guns scenario is denial of reality. > > We prohibited alcohol and created a huge black market and effectively introduced organized crime to this country. > We prohibit drugs and maintain a huge black market that is run by organized crime and its associated violence. > If we prohibit guns we will… Who proposed banning all guns? I replied because your argument is basically the same for saying get rid of all speed limits because you’ll never stop speeding. We still need speed limits and we still need gun laws. It’s 2012 and we still don’t have law that requires all guns to have background checks and a paper trail. We even have the system in place to do this. So yes reform is needed, not to stop the exact scenario of the last case, but to stop the obviously and most likely ones in the future. ---
**Author:** ![jabbu](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jabbu/32/7446_2.png) [@jabbu](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jabbu)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/404 "2012-12-20T09:29:07Z")
Sad this incident is more about future gun control then what actually happened. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/405 "2012-12-20T09:30:16Z")
wait, what happened? I thought a guy ran into a school and started shooting people? ---
**Author:** ![dirtye30](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dirtye30/32/7333_2.png) [@dirtye30](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dirtye30)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/406 "2012-12-20T09:30:42Z")
I shot a bunny with my rifle once and a bird with my shotgun. Actually, two birds. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/407 "2012-12-20T09:32:04Z")
Yeah, like paper trails are going to work for the bad people out there. Bad people will still find a way to steal, purchase illegaly, or build their own. Fuck it. I’m sick of talking about this. Happy holidays everyone. ---
**Author:** ![jt76](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jt76/32/5100_2.png) [@jt76](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jt76)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/408 "2012-12-20T09:55:05Z")
Do you realize how many firearms are privately held in the United States? The vast majority will NEVER have a paper trail. This is all pissing into the wind. In other news, purchased my first AK yesterday, now just need an AR15 and an FAL. The irony is that I have never really had an interest in “assault rifles”. I collect WWII and older military rifles. I just want them for the simple fact that society/the administration/the media etc don’t want me to have them. That makes me think that i SHOULD have them. carry on. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/409 "2012-12-20T10:06:22Z")
I do realistically believe if you have to register all guns and track all sales starting now (keep in mind I didn’t say ban anything), it will be a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![jt76](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jt76/32/5100_2.png) [@jt76](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jt76)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/410 "2012-12-20T10:08:07Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > I do realistically believe if you have to register all guns and track all sales starting now (keep in mind I didn’t say ban anything), it will be a good thing. The shooter stole his mothers legally owned and registered guns… ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/411 "2012-12-20T10:12:41Z")
I’m not attempting to say this will fix any scenario, only that it’s common sense to track these thinks like we track cars. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/412 "2012-12-20T10:13:08Z")
> [@jt76](#): > > The shooter stole his mothers legally owned and registered guns… :word: :word: :word: ---
**Author:** ![jt76](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jt76/32/5100_2.png) [@jt76](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jt76)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/413 "2012-12-20T10:14:16Z")
> [@theblue](#): > > I’m not attempting to say this will fix any scenario, only that it’s common sense to track these thinks like we track cars. I know the point you’re trying to make… but its not going to accomplish anything. Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/414 "2012-12-20T10:18:29Z")
I don’t even take seriously that you think tracking and registering guns could never help. It would certainly help keep them away from criminals better while making those who would provide them more liable. would you argue to get rid of all speed limits and car registration since we can’t stop accidents? ---
**Author:** ![jt76](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jt76/32/5100_2.png) [@jt76](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jt76)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/415 "2012-12-20T10:24:48Z")
![http://farm1.staticflickr.com/23/35177769_79a70efcb0.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/7/8/7836170bd2b3a64204355cbfa3efd8ee7130a6fc.jpeg) The national firearms act of 1934 was the first anti gun legislation. It banned things like the tommy gun as a response to the gang violence of the prohibition era. As we can see it ended violent organized crime in the United States to this very day!! Also cut down on all those mass school shootings of the post WWI era. ---------- Post added at 01:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:22 PM ---------- > [@theblue](#): > > I don’t even take seriously that you think tracking and registering guns could never help. It would certainly help keep them away from criminals better while making those who would provide them more liable. > > would you argue to get rid of all speed limits and car registration since we can’t stop accidents? No one is going to come steal my car to commit a violent crime, no one is going to kill me to take my car and drive through a kindergarten class. Your example makes no sense. Try again. Why don’t we stop blaming pieces of metal and plastic and examine the MENTAL HEALTH issues of suburban nerdy white kids. ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/416 "2012-12-20T10:25:34Z")
i find almost every counter-point made could be construed as a supporting point for the same arguement… like this one: > [@jt76](#): > > The shooter stole his mothers legally owned and registered guns… what kind of 52 year old single woman needs an AR15? she doesn’t. make it a more arduous process of ownership and stricter rules around storage of the guns and people like this will not have AR15’s that can be stolen for massacres. the problem here IS that guns are trivially easy to own which is why there are so many which is why it’s easy to take them from your mommy and daddy. ---
**Author:** ![Copper280z](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/copper280z/32/5464_2.png) [@Copper280z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Copper280z)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/417 "2012-12-20T10:27:11Z")
TheBlue, look up the “Firearm Owners Protection Act”(1986?). It wasn’t as simple as he snatched her gun when she wasn’t looking, he killed her to get to it. ---
**Author:** ![jt76](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jt76/32/5100_2.png) [@jt76](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jt76)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/418 "2012-12-20T10:27:46Z")
> [@bing](#): > > what kind of 52 year old single woman needs an AR15? she doesn’t. What i want to know is WHO ARE YOU to decide that? Next should we say black people shouldn’t be allowed to have guns because blacks are disproportionally arrested for crimes? ---
**Author:** ![theblue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/theblue/32/5074_2.png) [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/419 "2012-12-20T10:29:18Z")
> [@jt76](#): > > No one is going to come steal my car to commit a violent crime… seriously? think about this one some more. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2012, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/420 "2012-12-20T10:29:27Z")
> [@bing](#): > > what kind of 52 year old single woman needs an AR15? she doesn’t. make it a more arduous process of ownership and stricter rules around storage of the guns and people like this will not have AR15’s that can be stolen for massacres. What do you need an M3 to drive on the street? [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754.md?page=20) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754.md?page=22)