# School Shooting in CT **URL:** \ **Category:** PolitiSUCK\ **Created:** [December 14, 2012, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754 "2012-12-14T09:55:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/641 "2013-01-09T12:12:35Z")
See post 631. Meanwhile back in FPS Russia… > **[YouTube Gun Enthusiast Dead In Apparent Homicide](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/09/keith-ratliff-fpsrussia-dead_n_2439284.html)** > > A producer behind a popular gun enthusiast YouTube channel was found dead with a single gunshot wound to the head at his business last week. > > Police in... ---
**Author:** ![LUKE\_L](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/luke_l/32/7462_2.png) [@LUKE\_L](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LUKE_L)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/642 "2013-01-09T12:57:04Z")
^ ☹ Rest in piece my friend… ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/643 "2013-01-09T13:26:26Z")
> [@bing](#): > > i find this hilarious. > > the pro-gun perspective is the one cherry picking facts and you should know this from your trading experience. > > when someone picks a handful of random towns that have loose gunlaws and few gun deaths that is like picking the 16 days out of 365 days that a stock went up while ignoring the 365 day trend of going WAY DOWN… > > high level gun crime stats compared country to country are not cherry picked stats, they are the overall trend over an extended period of time and they are what law makers have to focus on… not the minutia or outlier data. > > the problem is that it isn’t possible to take counter-points to those high level stats seriously when they are stated so ignorantly like Alex Jones did. a sophisticated or educated person can only roll his eyes and move on. > > is there someone out there pro-gun that is intelligent and reasonable that can be an effective leader for the pro-gun side? because Alex Jones and that NRA guy are idiots, to put it mildly. Alex Jones is an asshole, so is Piers. BOTH sides have been puking bullshit statistics and overreacting. I hope the “sides” can settle soon, my nation is already insanely divided on the back of the most heated election I’ve witnessed. My gun friends won’t like me saying this but I do think the checks to sell ammo would be most effective. Ammo needs replenished, guns do not. If you want people to drive cars less would you confiscate their cars or just restrict gas sales? What does trading experience have to do with this issue? I’m not following that comment. PS, I may be asking you to help smuggle me into Canada…not really kidding. 😉 ---------- Post added at 04:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:21 PM ---------- > [@LZ](#): > > The size of the city wasn’t my point. > > The concept here is the US has far more urban areas/cities then any of those other countries. > > Also poverty and drugs play a hugggeee factor in crime. > > My argument here is none of the laws people propose do anything to address gun violence in inner cities which is a huge majority of it…People are not shooting each other with $3000+ AR15s or AWBs in the hood and the stats back that up. Yup, “Assault” rifles aren’t used in the high percentage of gun crime. Handguns are, yet all we hear about are “Bushmaster” and “high caliber Assault rifles”. I find this rather odd. ---------- Post added at 04:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:23 PM ---------- > [@Willybeen](#): > > Drunk driving has been curbed by steeper penalties… Which should be the same for gun problems. I’m all for locking up users of illegal weapons for 20 years+ > > Just don’t infringe upon my right to legally own them. THIS! Enforce the laws in place and stop allowing plea downs for illegal firearm violations. If they REALLY wanted to make an impact on gun crime they would be going after the CRIMINALS that are caught using guns. ---
**Author:** ![LUKE\_L](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/luke_l/32/7462_2.png) [@LUKE\_L](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LUKE_L)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/644 "2013-01-09T13:27:16Z")
> [@TradersBASE](#): > > Yup, “Assault” rifles aren’t used in the high percentage of gun crime. Handguns are, yet all we hear about are “Bushmaster” and “high caliber Assault rifles”. I find this rather odd. It’s not odd. They know they can’t stop “those” crimes so they don’t even try. Some politicians think focusing on “assault” rifles will help them get endorsements and get their name in the paper. Period. Hell, the “War on drugs” is winning for the same reason. It’s too big for someone to try and fix. So, make the top three illegal and legalize the rest. ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/645 "2013-01-09T13:33:23Z")
> [@LUKE\_L](#): > > It’s not odd. They know they can’t stop “those” crimes so they don’t even try. Some politicians think focusing on “assault” rifles will help them get endorsements and get their name in the paper. Period. > > Hell, the “War on drugs” is winning for the same reason. It’s too big for someone to try and fix. So, make the top three illegal and legalize the rest. The “war on drugs” is winning? How would you define winning? Am I to assume you also believe the “war on poverty” is being won as well? ---
**Author:** ![1QIKZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1qikz/32/6112_2.png) [@1QIKZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1QIKZ)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/646 "2013-01-09T13:35:17Z")
Stricter penalties mean nothing to shitbags knowing they are going to off themselves anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Event](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/event/32/5443_2.png) [@Event](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Event)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/647 "2013-01-09T13:44:23Z")
> [@LUKE\_L](#): > > Hell, the “War on drugs” is winning Well that’s just not true. ---
**Author:** ![LUKE\_L](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/luke_l/32/7462_2.png) [@LUKE\_L](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LUKE_L)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/648 "2013-01-09T13:48:09Z")
> [@TradersBASE](#): > > The “war on drugs” is winning? > [@Event](#): > > Well that’s just not true. [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324374004578217682305605070.html](http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324374004578217682305605070.html) ---
**Author:** ![9c1ny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9c1ny/32/5050_2.png) [@9c1ny](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9c1ny)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/649 "2013-01-09T13:48:44Z")
I’d go on a mass shooting spree if only I had that bayonet or a pistol grip, said no one ever ---
**Author:** ![Event](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/event/32/5443_2.png) [@Event](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Event)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/650 "2013-01-09T13:55:47Z")
> [@LUKE\_L](#): > > [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324374004578217682305605070.html](http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324374004578217682305605070.html) … ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/651 "2013-01-09T14:00:34Z")
Inter dashing > “The Gun Is Civilization” by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret) > Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another:agreed compensation, reason and force. > If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either > convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of > force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, > without exception. > Reason or force, that’s it. > In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through > persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and > the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as > paradoxical as it may sound to some. > When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason > and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or > employment of force. > The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal > footing with a 220-pound mugger; a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with > a 19-year old gang banger; and a single guy on equal footing with a carload > of drunken guys with baseball bats. > The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between > a potential attacker and a defender. > There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force > equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all > guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a > [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s > potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative > fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. > People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the > young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a > civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful > living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly. > Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that > otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in > several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the > physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. > People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal > force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with > a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works > solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both > are armed, the field is level. > The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian > as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as > a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable. > When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but > because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot > be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because > it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who > would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would > do so by force. It removes force from the equation… and that’s why > carrying a gun is a civilized act. > By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.) ---
**Author:** ![tpgsr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tpgsr/32/7374_2.png) [@tpgsr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tpgsr)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/652 "2013-01-09T14:03:03Z")
I was in my office and a female co worker came over and said something about banning assault rifles. I asked her to define it and she said the military guns. WRONG. I jumped and asked her whether she would like me to shoot at her with one of those or with a shotgun in close proximity. She had no clue. ---
**Author:** ![LUKE\_L](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/luke_l/32/7462_2.png) [@LUKE\_L](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LUKE_L)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/653 "2013-01-09T14:05:05Z")
^ Why where you working in the Kitchen…? ---
**Author:** ![Jam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jam/32/7235_2.png) [@Jam](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jam)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/654 "2013-01-09T14:18:07Z")
Ya man, what were you doing working in the kitchen or laundry room? ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/655 "2013-01-09T15:07:19Z")
lol @ kitchen comments. with regard to some of the latter arguments on the prior page about criminals still getting guns. in the Newton, Aurora, Columbine, V-tech and overseas in the Oslo massacre… in all of these cases the shooters got the guns before they were criminals. They didn’t become criminals or notable in any way that could have raised actionable flags until they committed the crimes and they need the guns to commit those crimes. increased gun control could have had an impact on the availability and quantity of guns available to these people. At any rate, the ‘criminals will still get guns’ argument is not totally applicable. LZ i completely agree with your inner city argument but no one cares about the inner city anyways. We’re talking about solutions to protect rich white people here, everything else is irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/656 "2013-01-09T16:19:56Z")
Speaking of long gun registration and Canada [http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/02/15/pol-gun-registry.html](http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/02/15/pol-gun-registry.html) ---
**Author:** ![bing](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bing/32/7211_2.png) [@bing](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bing)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/657 "2013-01-09T16:24:00Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > Speaking of long gun registration and Canada > > [2 NDP MPs back final Commons vote to kill gun registry | CBC News](http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/02/15/pol-gun-registry.html) this follows a similar logic as some of the good arguments on here opposed to the obamacare thing. in theory the gun registry is awesome, however, in practice they’ve blown billions on getting it done. basically someone who has control of the purse strings is huffing money off to people/companies getting nothing in return; similar to how some of you suggested that obamacare doesnt do anything to reduce the inflated cost of the services and pharma products included in it. So even though it’s a good idea; in practice it’s a shit show. ---
**Author:** ![Gl1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gl1/32/5471_2.png) [@Gl1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gl1)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/658 "2013-01-09T16:30:17Z")
> [@bing](#): > > this follows a similar logic as some of the good arguments on here opposed to the obamacare thing. > > in theory the gun registry is awesome, however, in practice they’ve blown billions on getting it done. basically someone who has control of the purse strings is huffing money off to people/companies getting nothing in return; similar to how some of you suggested that obamacare doesnt do anything to reduce the inflated cost of the services and pharma products included in it. So even though it’s a good idea; in practice it’s a shit show. You just described big government. ---
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/659 "2013-01-09T16:34:30Z")
In other news 12,000 woman die a year from binge drinking. ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2013, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754/660 "2013-01-09T19:56:49Z")
> [@tpgsr](#): > > I was in my office and a female co worker came over and said something about banning assault rifles. I asked her to define it and she said the military guns. WRONG. **I jumped and asked her whether she would like me to shoot at her with one of those or with a shotgun in close proximity**. She had no clue. She’s going to HR and you’re gonna be fired now…great. 😛 [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754.md?page=32) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/school-shooting-in-ct/227754.md?page=34)