# SEAL team charged after prisoner capture **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [November 25, 2009, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553 "2009-11-25T13:27:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![glitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/0ea827/32.png) [@glitch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/glitch)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/101 "2010-01-03T07:37:02Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Hey asshole, don’t put words in my mouth. You and glitch should stop by Sams Club, buy the jumbo Vaseline, and have a great two man circle > jerk thinking about me with as much as you bring me up in your posts. Hai cutey:gay: ---
**Author:** ![neonglh](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/neonglh/32/4951_2.png) [@neonglh](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/neonglh)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/102 "2010-01-03T09:01:03Z")
> [@Jam](#): > > Any more updates? > > Oh and to jays- anyone who thinks that a “news show” on a station called Comedy Central is a legit news source, well… Really now. That show is a blatent farce. When you put a show that is 80% opinion and 20% fact on a station that has the word news in it’s name… thats when things tend to become a bit scary. The Daily Show doesn’t have the word news in it’s name 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/103 "2010-01-03T10:15:22Z")
I think n20junkie is the only one with much of a clue in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Bull49](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bull49/32/7381_2.png) [@Bull49](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bull49)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/104 "2010-01-03T11:04:20Z")
> [@PureXTC](#): > > I think a lot of people agree with n20. > > You’re the type of liberal that is destroying America. > > inb4"coolstory,bro:tup:" agreed on all 3 points. ---
**Author:** ![khoveraki](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/khoveraki/32/5131_2.png) [@khoveraki](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/khoveraki)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2010, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/105 "2010-01-03T13:51:55Z")
Yeah, screw fair treatment and the possibility to lodge a complaint of all things. Every power should go unchecked, this is WAR! BOMB THE MIDDLE EAST!!! TERRORRISSSISMMMMMMMM So far in this thread we have “terrorists only want to kill you and your family!” and “the type of liberal who’s destroying america!” Super reasonable guys. ---
**Author:** ![PureXTC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/purextc/32/5223_2.png) [@PureXTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PureXTC)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/106 "2010-01-04T00:30:43Z")
> [@khoveraki](#): > > Yeah, screw fair treatment and the possibility to lodge a complaint of all things. Every power should go unchecked, this is WAR! BOMB THE MIDDLE EAST!!! TERRORRISSSISMMMMMMMM > > So far in this thread we have “terrorists only want to kill you and your family!” and “the type of liberal who’s destroying america!” Super reasonable guys. Youre comparing a terrorist to a, comparatively speaking, a petty American criminial. Have you forgotten what it is exactly, that terrorists do? It’s a shame that only 9 years after 9/11 people are already showing mercy towards terrorism. Do yourself a favor and GTFO of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![AFhockey31](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/afhockey31/32/5086_2.png) [@AFhockey31](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AFhockey31)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/107 "2010-01-04T07:55:27Z")
> [@khoveraki](#): > > Yeah, screw fair treatment and the possibility to lodge a complaint of all things. Every power should go unchecked, this is WAR! BOMB THE MIDDLE EAST!!! TERRORRISSSISMMMMMMMM > > So far in this thread we have “terrorists only want to kill you and your family!” and “the type of liberal who’s destroying america!” Super reasonable guys. Flat plain and simple… Its people like you that make me question as to why I even wake up and put the uniform anymore. Youre entitled to your opinion as to anyone else, but your eyes are so clouded with what other people tell you that you have no fucking clue what youre talking about. Keep being clueless, and ill keep protecting your freedoms to be stupid. ---
**Author:** ![TrueBlue](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/trueblue/32/7245_2.png) [@TrueBlue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TrueBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/108 "2010-01-04T08:14:09Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > I think n20junkie is the only one with much of a clue in this thread. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/109 "2010-01-04T08:23:14Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > I think n20junkie is the only one with much of a clue in this thread. Yep. I could do without the “raghead” stuff but when I know someone’s been over there watching buddies get shot at and blown up I give the person a pass on cultural sensitivity. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/110 "2010-01-04T08:52:03Z")
After reading this thread I would say the terrorists are winning. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/111 "2010-01-04T10:04:03Z")
Some updates. There are three SEALS being charged. > McCabe is the only person charged with assaulting Abed. Prosecutors have said he punched Abed in the midsection. > > Huertas and Keefe are charged with dereliction of duty for not protecting Abed, and all three commandos are accused of making a false official statement when questioned about the incident. Huertas also is accused of impeding the investigation. … They are scheduled to be tried later this month in Norfolk. Keefe’s trial has been set for April. All the offenses are misdemeanors punishable by demotion in rank, up to a year in jail and a bad-conduct discharge. Cleveland said he chose to deal with the incident through non judicial punishment - an option that would have kept the case out of the public eye but could have effectively ended the SEALs’ careers. The men refused that option and chose to face courts-martial.[/quote] > **[The Virginian-Pilot](https://www.pilotonline.com)** > > The Virginian-Pilot: Your source for Virginia breaking news, sports, business, entertainment, weather and traffic And here is the letter from the Major General who decided to charge them to one of the 40+ representatives calling for the charges to be dropped: > Dear Representative Burton, > > Thank you for your letter expressing your and your colleagues concern regarding the pending Courts-martial of Petty Officers Huertas, McCabe, and Keefe. I understand your interest in these cases and can assure you that I am committed to protecting the rights of the Sailors who have been accused. > > Regrettably it appears that your perception of the incident is based upon incomplete and factually inaccurate press coverage. Despite what has been reported, these allegations are not founded solely on the word of the detainee, but rather, were initially raised by other U.S. service members. Additionally, the alleged injuries did not occur during actions on the objective, as is also being widely reported in the media. A medical examination conducted at the time the detainee was turned over to U.S. forces determined that his alleged injuries were inflicted several hours after the operation had ended, and while in the custody and care of the U.S. at Camp Schweidler’s detainee holding facility. > > While the assault and resulting injury to the detainee were relatively minor, the more disconcerting allegations are those related to the Sailors’ attempts to cover-up the incident, particularly in what appears to be an effort to influence the testimony of a witness. All of these allegations were fully investigated by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS). > > As you have likely read, I chose to deal with this incident administratively via nonnjudicial punishment pursuant to Article 15 of the UeMJ. However, Petty Officers Huertas, McCabe and Keefe elected to exercise their UCMJ rights to refuse such a hearing. I have attached previously released, redacted copies of the charge sheets in the hope that they will help clarify the allegations surrounding this incident. These charges were drawn from information disclosed during the course of the investigation. The release of any further information at this time would be inappropriate as it might prejudice the outcome of the trial. > > I take my military justice authority and responsibility for maintaining good order and discipline very seriously, as I have in six commands previously. Discipline and integrity are primary factors that make our U.S. Special Operators such an effective fighting force. The abuse of a detainee, no matter how minor, creates strategic repercussions that harm our nation’s security and ultimately costs the lives of U.S. citizens. I must ensure that the service members under my command abide by the laws passed by Congress and follow the lawful orders of their superior officers. When there are reasonable grounds to believe that an offense has been committed, and that a specific individual in my command has committed that offense, it is my duty to take appropriate action to not only ensure justice is done, but also to maintain good order and discipline. > > It is these factors that led me to refer these charges to Special Courts-martial. I assure you that the rights of these Sailors are being protected and they will have all of the facts of the case presented and reviewed fully by an impartial panel. > > Sincerely, > > CHARLES T. CLEVELAND MG, U.S. ARMY Commanding I still have hopes for this establishing a precedent that protects soldiers from getting strung up by their own country. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/112 "2010-01-04T10:04:18Z")
Some updates. There are three SEALS being charged. > McCabe is the only person charged with assaulting Abed. Prosecutors have said he punched Abed in the midsection. > > Huertas and Keefe are charged with dereliction of duty for not protecting Abed, and all three commandos are accused of making a false official statement when questioned about the incident. Huertas also is accused of impeding the investigation. > > … > > They are scheduled to be tried later this month in Norfolk. Keefe’s trial has been set for April. > > All the offenses are misdemeanors punishable by demotion in rank, up to a year in jail and a bad-conduct discharge. Cleveland said he chose to deal with the incident through non judicial punishment - an option that would have kept the case out of the public eye but could have effectively ended the SEALs’ careers. > > The men refused that option and chose to face courts-martial. > **[The Virginian-Pilot](https://www.pilotonline.com)** > > The Virginian-Pilot: Your source for Virginia breaking news, sports, business, entertainment, weather and traffic And here is the letter from the Major General who decided to charge them to one of the 40+ representatives calling for the charges to be dropped: > Dear Representative Burton, > > Thank you for your letter expressing your and your colleagues concern regarding the pending Courts-martial of Petty Officers Huertas, McCabe, and Keefe. I understand your interest in these cases and can assure you that I am committed to protecting the rights of the Sailors who have been accused. > > Regrettably it appears that your perception of the incident is based upon incomplete and factually inaccurate press coverage. Despite what has been reported, these allegations are not founded solely on the word of the detainee, but rather, were initially raised by other U.S. service members. Additionally, the alleged injuries did not occur during actions on the objective, as is also being widely reported in the media. A medical examination conducted at the time the detainee was turned over to U.S. forces determined that his alleged injuries were inflicted several hours after the operation had ended, and while in the custody and care of the U.S. at Camp Schweidler’s detainee holding facility. > > While the assault and resulting injury to the detainee were relatively minor, the more disconcerting allegations are those related to the Sailors’ attempts to cover-up the incident, particularly in what appears to be an effort to influence the testimony of a witness. All of these allegations were fully investigated by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS). > > As you have likely read, I chose to deal with this incident administratively via nonnjudicial punishment pursuant to Article 15 of the UeMJ. However, Petty Officers Huertas, McCabe and Keefe elected to exercise their UCMJ rights to refuse such a hearing. I have attached previously released, redacted copies of the charge sheets in the hope that they will help clarify the allegations surrounding this incident. These charges were drawn from information disclosed during the course of the investigation. The release of any further information at this time would be inappropriate as it might prejudice the outcome of the trial. > > I take my military justice authority and responsibility for maintaining good order and discipline very seriously, as I have in six commands previously. Discipline and integrity are primary factors that make our U.S. Special Operators such an effective fighting force. The abuse of a detainee, no matter how minor, creates strategic repercussions that harm our nation’s security and ultimately costs the lives of U.S. citizens. I must ensure that the service members under my command abide by the laws passed by Congress and follow the lawful orders of their superior officers. When there are reasonable grounds to believe that an offense has been committed, and that a specific individual in my command has committed that offense, it is my duty to take appropriate action to not only ensure justice is done, but also to maintain good order and discipline. > > It is these factors that led me to refer these charges to Special Courts-martial. I assure you that the rights of these Sailors are being protected and they will have all of the facts of the case presented and reviewed fully by an impartial panel. > > Sincerely, > > CHARLES T. CLEVELAND MG, U.S. ARMY Commanding I still have hopes for this establishing a precedent that protects soldiers from getting strung up by their own country. ---
**Author:** ![cougarspeed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cougarspeed/32/7468_2.png) [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/113 "2010-01-04T10:13:31Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > I think n20junkie is the only one with much of a clue in this thread. This I would also like to add that I am almost convinced that Liberals are in fact anti america. Deff anti troops as I can gather from some of your pathetic posts. ---
**Author:** ![khoveraki](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/khoveraki/32/5131_2.png) [@khoveraki](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/khoveraki)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/114 "2010-01-04T11:31:10Z")
LOL you guys, you’re blowing this way out of proportion. It’s not like they had to smack around a terrorrist to get him to cooperate and now they’re going to jail forever. Because of Guantanamo Bay (I guess you’ll defend that too) we have to show that we’re not just shit heads working without law. They chose courts-martial obviously because they’re not guilty. It’s pretty clear that they did nothing wrong. But you retards are arguing that there should be NO SYSTEM in place for complaints or trials. So you’re saying we should operate with lawlessness which is just stupid. ---
**Author:** ![glitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/0ea827/32.png) [@glitch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/glitch)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/115 "2010-01-04T11:42:48Z")
> [@cougarspeed](#): > > This > > I would also like to add that I am almost convinced that Liberals are in fact anti america. Deff anti troops as I can gather from some of your pathetic posts. We’re terrorists, duh. ---
**Author:** ![cougarspeed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cougarspeed/32/7468_2.png) [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/116 "2010-01-04T11:44:14Z")
> [@glitch](#): > > We’re terrorists, duh. Certainly ruining society so might as well be. ---
**Author:** ![PureXTC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/purextc/32/5223_2.png) [@PureXTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PureXTC)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/117 "2010-01-04T11:46:24Z")
I’ll defend Gitmo all day fucker. ---
**Author:** ![glitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/0ea827/32.png) [@glitch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/glitch)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/118 "2010-01-04T11:46:49Z")
> [@cougarspeed](#): > > Certainly ruining society so might as well be. You better be a patriot and report us to Homeland Security then. ---
**Author:** ![cougarspeed](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cougarspeed/32/7468_2.png) [@cougarspeed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cougarspeed)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/119 "2010-01-04T11:47:09Z")
LOL Glitch reported my post hahahahahahahaha Glitch obv since I have wacky liberal friends like Joe I am not serious. So cute how mad you get that I think you are a waste though. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2010, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/seal-team-charged-after-prisoner-capture/76553/120 "2010-01-04T11:47:15Z")
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