# shift 518 crash kings are afraid of Liter bikes. **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [September 9, 2009, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-518-crash-kings-are-afraid-of-liter-bikes/246744 "2009-09-09T18:26:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 66
**Author:** ![Vovchandr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vovchandr/32/6275_2.png) [@Vovchandr](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Vovchandr)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2009, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-518-crash-kings-are-afraid-of-liter-bikes/246744/66 "2009-09-20T06:41:05Z")
> [@silverandslow1"](#): > > I know people who could be most bolt on 1k riders on ninjas through twisties. I weigh 220 also and a 600 is still retard fast. Thank you. > [@avi to dvd](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/avi-to-dvd/22797/4): > > Exactly! Im 220lbs… So I dont want a little bike. Plus, Im GOING to mod one eventually, why start out with a 600, you cant beat a 1000 with full bolt-ons on a 6… Not like I havent riden before either Let’s see if there is an ounce of logic behind what you say. Lets say a 600 makes 110hp, weighs 400 pounds wet and the rider weighs 180 pounds - pretty average. 110hp/580lbs =.189 hp/lbs Let’s add 40 pounds, 110hp/620lbs = .177 To put this into perspective, lets say you got a full pipe and a power commander on the 600 and gave it 7hp. 117hp/620lbs = .189. That weight difference is so marginal and easily offset that the only good it does it a poor excuse for people not to start out on bikes that are too big for them. Remember, I don’t even recommend starting on 600cc, even in your weight group, because THEY ARE SUPERBIKES, starting out on a Liter is just plain retarded. > [@No violent games until you are 30 in NYS](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/no-violent-games-until-you-are-30-in-nys/23217/12): > > well when dealing with 95% of this forum, the only thing they do fast is straight lines… Bwahahah + rep Adam, when bikers talk about “fast” there are turns involved, I know it’s a new concept for you as a domestic owner but you may have to deal with it. If you want to go fast in the straight line, why settle for a 1000cc? That’s too small, there is a 1300cc and a 1400cc out there… --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-518-crash-kings-are-afraid-of-liter-bikes/246744)._