# Shift Worthy News Story **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 10, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716 "2012-12-10T14:49:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![JSEnclosures](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jsenclosures/32/6678_2.png) [@JSEnclosures](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JSEnclosures)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/41 "2012-12-11T07:14:23Z")
here’s a vid from the origional news channel who broke this story [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/chrysler-workers-drinking\_n\_2272291.html](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/chrysler-workers-drinking_n_2272291.html) ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/42 "2012-12-11T07:15:33Z")
> [@VOIP or Time Warner](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/voip-or-time-warner/51244/8): > > I totally agree with you. However, this part of what I was talking about with Cossey. I work for a Fortune 100 company that posted record profits last year. That’s why it pisses me off when people say “UNIONS ARE THE PROBLEM” > > Some unions have their issues, that doesn’t mean that they all need to be painted with the same brush because some people fail to understand how different systems and companies work. I fail to see what working for a Fortune 100 company that posted record profits has absolutely anything to do with unions? Seems more like bragging to me. I don’t think you get the reasons I stated about why I dislike unions. To me, unions are a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist like it did several decades ago. A majority of the people in here with union experience think no differently than I do about this, with some of the same reasoning used. Just because you’re in a union and pay so much in taxes, doesn’t have any effect on my opinions and theirs. ---
**Author:** ![madwabbit](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/madwabbit/32/6654_2.png) [@madwabbit](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/madwabbit)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/43 "2012-12-11T07:15:36Z")
> [@The Vette & Jeep Picts](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/the-vette-jeep-picts/51216/20): > > Exactly. I went to ITT Tech. Its no high end school by any means, but its 90% hands on teach and do what you are actually going to do in your job type education. It got me the piece of paper that got me in the door with no relaited expierence, which put that first job on my resume. While I was in school I looked at the older people there working on their 2nd or 3rd DEGREE and threw around their endless certification lists, but “cant find a good IT job”. Once we got into labs, I knew exactly why. Half the time they were taking smoke breaks, talking on the phone in the hallway, and asking ME how to complete a part of a lab. Thats why they are between jobs and bitching about how everything is holding them down. They are not good employees. Its not the employer. > > If you see your employer failing, and dont like it, leave. Fuck um. You are not the owners. Let them fail. Go somewhere that wants good employees, wants to respect the, want to pay them accordingly, and wants to steamroll the place you just left to come there. THOSE PLACES WILL KEEP THIS COUNTRY THRIVING. YES. Great point. Back to my original post…I was looking at “little picture” union, the workers. EVERYONE here can reach out and touch a worthless co-worker…some of you may actually be that person. The work force is saturated with them in every field and in every business…and to single out the union as an overwhelming source is completely wrong. I will admit 100%, I know little of “big picture” union positives/negatives. ---
**Author:** ![madwabbit](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/madwabbit/32/6654_2.png) [@madwabbit](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/madwabbit)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/44 "2012-12-11T07:29:30Z")
> [@FS: Clean 1972 Datsun 240z 50 NEW PICS 7/29](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-clean-1972-datsun-240z-50-new-pics-7-29/51205/17): > > I fail to see what working for a Fortune 100 company that posted record profits has absolutely anything to do with unions? Seems more like bragging to me. I don’t think you get the reasons I stated about why I dislike unions. To me, unions are a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist like it did several decades ago. A majority of the people in here with union experience think no differently than I do about this, with some of the same reasoning used. Just because you’re in a union and pay so much in taxes, doesn’t have any effect on my opinions and theirs. This is not true. I work for a small privately owned company. The owner is against unions to his core. We have a couple pieces of machinery that aren’t serviceable by in-house technicians. Multiple times in the past we have tried smaller companies in our area to service said equipment. JOKE. None of them had the expertise to solve this issue. They would stammer around for HOURS until they found something to hack for a temporary fix. I suggested that we call in a union contractor. Holy fuck, I literally could have boiled an egg on his forehead. Reluctantly, I made the call. MIND BLOWN. The experience level was not even in the same realm. Took the technician 2 hours. Yeah it was more expensive, yeah we had to hire out to a union contractor, BUT GUESS WHAT…we paid for educated experience and we got it. You label a union as “not necessary” with no reason to back it up? Just because? I think you have the picture that high school text books painted. NYC steel workers hanging around drinking coffee and slapping nuts off each others hard hats. BARELY squeezing in an hours work before lunch. IMO, unions can’t be generalized like that anymore. > [@NHL Draft \*\*now the official NHL OFFSEASON thread\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/nhl-draft-now-the-official-nhl-offseason-thread/50350/435): > > here’s a vid from the origional news channel who broke this story > > [Chrysler Workers Drinking: Fired Employees Reinstated At Jefferson North Plant In Detroit | HuffPost Detroit](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/chrysler-workers-drinking_n_2272291.html) This is seriously fucked up on the other hand. ---
**Author:** ![greggotron](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/greggotron/32/6571_2.png) [@greggotron](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/greggotron)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/45 "2012-12-11T07:35:50Z")
Enjoy living in your scum built house driving a rat built car. #WorkersRights #SkilledLabor ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/46 "2012-12-11T07:35:58Z")
> [@your thoughts on this article(U.S. collapse)](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/your-thoughts-on-this-article-u-s-collapse/51041/56): > > This is not true. > > I work for a small privately owned company. The owner is against unions to his core. > > We have a couple pieces of machinery that aren’t serviceable by in-house technicians. > > Multiple times in the past we have tried smaller companies in our area to service said equipment. JOKE. None of them had the expertise to solve this issue. They would stammer around for HOURS until they found something to hack for a temporary fix. > > I suggested that we call in a union contractor. Holy fuck, I literally could have boiled an egg on his forehead. Reluctantly, I made the call. > > MIND BLOWN. The experience level was not even in the same realm. Took the technician 2 hours. Yeah it was more expensive, yeah we had to hire out to a union contractor, BUT GUESS WHAT…we paid for educated experience and we got it. > > You label a union as “not necessary” with no reason to back it up? > > Just because? > > I think you have the picture that high school text books painted. NYC steel workers hanging around drinking coffee and slapping nuts off each others hard hats. BARELY squeezing in an hours work before lunch. > > IMO, unions can’t be generalized like that anymore. Did you read any of my postings in this thread where I backed up my “I don’t like unions” with reasons? ---
**Author:** ![madwabbit](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/madwabbit/32/6654_2.png) [@madwabbit](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/madwabbit)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/47 "2012-12-11T07:40:01Z")
> [@anyone ever race a porsche?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-ever-race-a-porsche/51218/28): > > Did you read any of my postings in this thread where I backed up my “I don’t like unions” with reasons? 🤣 nope. I came to this conversation late. Maa bad. Will read. ---
**Author:** ![JSEnclosures](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jsenclosures/32/6678_2.png) [@JSEnclosures](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JSEnclosures)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/48 "2012-12-11T07:43:35Z")
madwabbit, i don’t think anyone disagrees that there are good skilled people in unions. the point is that they also protect people who would have otherwise been fired a long time ago ---
**Author:** ![Upstate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b3f665/32.png) [@Upstate](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Upstate)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/49 "2012-12-11T07:49:22Z")
I find public employee unions to be a complete oxymoron. On one hand Democrats promote the idea that the government has the good of the people at heart, and then they turn around and say that public employees need unions. Isn’t the purpose of a union to protect the worker from being taken advantage of by their employer? Well if the employer is the “state” in the Platonic sense of the word, they have no need for a union because their employer will always have their best interests first. Theoretically, at least. Having said that, private unions were a very necessary element in the early 20th century when children were working 18 hour days for nearly no wages. Now, however, with modern media and communications there is no need. They’ve gone from making sure members are treated with dignity (aka the slaughterhouses of Chicago circa 1918) to existing solely to feed the bureaucracy that they’ve created within. ---
**Author:** ![Wayne64SS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/wayne64ss/32/6365_2.png) [@Wayne64SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wayne64SS)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/50 "2012-12-11T07:49:58Z")
If they knew shit… THEY WOULDN’T BE PUERTO-RICAAAAANNNNNSSS! ---
**Author:** ![Neo187H](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/898d66/32.png) [@Neo187H](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Neo187H)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/51 "2012-12-11T07:50:42Z")
> [@Callout: Mindless or any 11sec or better cars. slight\_smile](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/callout-mindless-or-any-11sec-or-better-cars/48316/1559): > > i don’t think someone my own age, with no more then a high school diploma doing a job a monkey could do should make more than someone with an engineering degree. i should have specified i’m not talking about 50 year olds who have been doing this for 30 years What’s the job “a monkey can do” that you take great issue with? Skilled trades PAY WELL and they are actually quite in demand at this point with everyone and their mother deciding college is the best route. You specify a degree and that you’re entry level, how much do you feel you’re worth? At 26 you’re fresh out of school and entry level, a FAR cry from someone that went into their field at 20 and now has 6 years of hands on experience and training. ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/52 "2012-12-11T07:51:03Z")
> [@'93 BMW 325is](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/93-bmw-325is/51245/10): > > 🤣 nope. > > I came to this conversation late. Maa bad. Will read. Just like with the fucking thread where you bitched about me deleting 30+ posts by Boost Creep. :lol ---
**Author:** ![madwabbit](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/madwabbit/32/6654_2.png) [@madwabbit](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/madwabbit)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/53 "2012-12-11T07:51:55Z")
LOLOL. I’m consistent as fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Wayne64SS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/wayne64ss/32/6365_2.png) [@Wayne64SS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Wayne64SS)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/54 "2012-12-11T07:58:17Z")
:rofl :rofl ---
**Author:** ![greggotron](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/greggotron/32/6571_2.png) [@greggotron](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/greggotron)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/55 "2012-12-11T08:02:55Z")
Some of you obviously don’t get it. Get to your 30’s and work for your money and you’ll change your tune on things. Don’t blame the workers, blame the management that allows things to happen. Management is supposed to manage and they’re the one’s to blame when things go sour. ---
**Author:** ![Upstate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b3f665/32.png) [@Upstate](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Upstate)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/56 "2012-12-11T08:06:35Z")
> [@On another topic](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/51152/160): > > Some of you obviously don’t get it. Get to your 30’s and work for your money and you’ll change your tune on things. > > Don’t blame the workers, blame the management that allows things to happen. Management is supposed to manage and they’re the one’s to blame when things go sour. You’re right, management is to blame. They’re to blame for agreeing to the contracts that are bankrupting a number of localities and contributing to skyrocketing property taxes. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_123](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/justin_123/32/6478_2.png) [@Justin\_123](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Justin_123)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/57 "2012-12-11T08:30:31Z")
> [@anyone ever race a porsche?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/anyone-ever-race-a-porsche/51218/28): > > Did you read any of my postings in this thread where I backed up my “I don’t like unions” with reasons? Nope. Try harder next time. ---
**Author:** ![Cossey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Cossey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Cossey)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/58 "2012-12-11T08:45:27Z")
> [@Callout: Mindless or any 11sec or better cars. slight\_smile](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/callout-mindless-or-any-11sec-or-better-cars/48316/1561): > > Nope. Try harder next time. Good thing I was talking to you then. ---
**Author:** ![madwabbit](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/madwabbit/32/6654_2.png) [@madwabbit](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/madwabbit)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/59 "2012-12-11T08:50:48Z")
> [@Like my ass? Pics inside!!!!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/like-my-ass-pics-inside/51228/28): > > I consider them destroying America because due to the Unions’ strength, it is impossible to get rid of some employees who should no longer work for the company. It’s very apparent in teaching especially. UAW is just the tip of the iceberg. They protect the good AND the bad workers. In my opinion, unions have had their time and place. This? Is this what you are referring to? I read this the first time…and those are generalizations of generalizations. As I said before…there are shitty people EVERYWHERE. Shitty union employees can be defended by a union…shitty non-union employees can be defended by a LAWYER…or the state. Do you know how many bogus wrongful termination lawsuits are out there?? You hate unions because YOU have no use for them. I’d like to understand your point, I feel I have things to learn from this conversation. But, I’m not really looking for “I hate unions because my daddy did”. I will fully admit I know \< 1% of this topic. But I will also say I can look at something objectively, and admit when I’m wrong. I’ve had a few good experiences so far. I know a few really hard working union members. Still nothing that makes me think… Union = /America = 12-21-2012 I think I read somewhere that these employees (original article) weren’t reinstated due to union bullying. ---
**Author:** ![JSEnclosures](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jsenclosures/32/6678_2.png) [@JSEnclosures](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JSEnclosures)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2012, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716/60 "2012-12-11T09:08:57Z")
> [@\*\*\*\*Official: Southgate Meet Thread\*\*\*\*](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/official-southgate-meet-thread/29171/3028): > > What’s the job “a monkey can do” that you take great issue with? Skilled trades PAY WELL and they are actually quite in demand at this point with everyone and their mother deciding college is the best route. > > You specify a degree and that you’re entry level, how much do you feel you’re worth? At 26 you’re fresh out of school and entry level, a FAR cry from someone that went into their field at 20 and now has 6 years of hands on experience and training. i worked there when i was 22, so you could compare that against someone whos worked a job for 2 years where literally all you have to do is sit on a stool and watch a machine, if the machine goofs up you hit a button and the union mechanical comes down to fix it. you literally just sit there and hit a button if anything bad happens. that is not a skilled trade [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shift-worthy-news-story/265716.md?page=4)