# Short Shifter Question
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/short-shifter-question/14650
**Category:** NYSpeed Automotive
**Created:** [July 16, 2006, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/short-shifter-question/14650 "2006-07-16T07:43:11Z")
**Posts on this page:** 15
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### Author:  [@ShiftDead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShiftDead)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2006, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/short-shifter-question/14650/1 "2006-07-16T07:43:11Z")
I need a short shifter but would it be easier to cut the stock one down and tap the top so i can screw the knob back on?? Or is there some mechanical diff. besides the length of the shifter arm?
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### Author:  [@d3x](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d3x)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2006, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/short-shifter-question/14650/2 "2006-07-16T08:21:06Z")
a true “short shifter” reduces the length of the throw by changing the geometry of the lever through the pivot point. so eventhough cutting the shifter would effectivly shorten the throw by shortening the distance the lever has to travel. the pivot remains unchanged and so the percentage you’ve shortened the throw is minimal. so a short shifter kit is much more than just a shortened shifter. and by changing the geometry of the pivot it takes more energy to move the lever so if the kit doesnt come weighted your gunna need a weighted shift knob.
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### Author:  [@ShiftDead](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShiftDead)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2006, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/short-shifter-question/14650/3 "2006-07-16T08:39:31Z")
thank you d3x
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### Author:  [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)
#### Post date: [July 16, 2006, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/short-shifter-question/14650/4 "2006-07-16T18:12:45Z")
don’t do it…you’ll regret it…
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### Author:  [@Ninja](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ninja)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2006, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/short-shifter-question/14650/5 "2006-07-17T10:07:58Z")
Essentially cutting and retapping would give shorter throw… but as been said… the true short throw changes the distance from the pivot down to where the shifter cable attaches. Increasing the effort required to shift.
You could also shorten the lever at the transmission where the shifter cable ties into. Not sure how the shifter arm on the tranny is in a celica, but Ive seen em done before where you just drill a hole furter down the shifter arm on the tranny… again increasing the shifter effort by reducing the torque arm of the lever.
large amounts of work over a shorter distance = less amounts of work over a longer distance.
This proving we did not break any laws of physics.
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### Author:  [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)
#### Post date: [July 17, 2006, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/short-shifter-question/14650/6 "2006-07-17T11:19:04Z")
Shifting faster on a stock tranny only leads to grinding gears.
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### Author:  [@RoodyPoo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RoodyPoo)
#### Post date: [July 18, 2006, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/short-shifter-question/14650/7 "2006-07-18T12:53:24Z")
so does that mean before i get a short shifter on my tib. i gotta upgrade the transmission first?
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### Author:  [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)
#### Post date: [July 18, 2006, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/short-shifter-question/14650/8 "2006-07-18T13:16:31Z")
No, it just means be careful. Don’t do a short shifter if all you want to do is shift faster.
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### Author:  [@RoodyPoo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RoodyPoo)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2006, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/short-shifter-question/14650/9 "2006-07-19T15:08:44Z")
so whats the point of having one if i dont’ get it to just shift faster?
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### Author:  [@articzap](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/articzap)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2006, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/short-shifter-question/14650/10 "2006-07-20T05:18:23Z")
goodbye syncros :’(
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### Author:  [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2006, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/short-shifter-question/14650/11 "2006-07-20T05:51:35Z")
just dont slam ur car into gear daily when driving. realize if u launch the car and slam it into gear really fast u are going to do some slight damage to ur tranny here and there
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### Author:  [@RoodyPoo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RoodyPoo)
#### Post date: [July 23, 2006, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/short-shifter-question/14650/12 "2006-07-23T11:18:23Z")
yeah i don’t do launches yet…my car aint that good…yet…but yeah short shifter good idea tahnsk all yall
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### Author:  [@943kgt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/943kgt)
#### Post date: [August 3, 2006, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/short-shifter-question/14650/13 "2006-08-03T21:25:12Z")
if short shifters are so bad for your tranny then why does subaru offer it as an accessory and still covers your tranny under warranty??? :gotme:
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### Author:  [@sureshot007](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sureshot007)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2006, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/short-shifter-question/14650/14 "2006-08-04T04:28:15Z")
It’s not the shifter that’s a bad idea - rather what’s behind the wheel that can cause a problem.
Quality short shifter = good (expensive), ebay short shifter = very bad.
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### Author:  [@943kgt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/943kgt)
#### Post date: [August 7, 2006, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/short-shifter-question/14650/15 "2006-08-07T16:34:12Z")
even if its the driver wouldnt subaru still not cover it if it was so bad? now i’m not saying its perfectly good for your car but if you know how to drive your car and your not bangin gears like a cheap whore then you should be fine