# Shotgun Purchasing Q's **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [December 4, 2009, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869 "2009-12-04T07:15:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Daddie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/daddie/32/7621_2.png) [@Daddie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Daddie)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/41 "2009-12-07T09:16:20Z")
> [@bpipe95](#): > > fist question what is your physical address? > > I know you are close to NYC, and that makes all the difference in the world. > > If you are outside of NYC you can set up a tub fed shot gun in pretty much any way you want. IF you keep the barrel over 18" and the over all length over 26" IIRC. > > Yes it can have just a pistol grip if you follow the rules above, yes it can have a folding stock if you follow the rules above. > > IMO a standard stock 8shot tube fed pump shotgun will be the best thing for you. > > The pistol grip ones can create strange ergonomics esp the mossburgs safety on/off switch. I’m not in Yonkers, or NYC. So I am pretty sure i’m in the clear. I just can’t find any gun shop near me lol… ---
**Author:** ![dubbin91](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dubbin91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dubbin91)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/42 "2009-12-07T09:59:04Z")
> [@Daddie](#): > > I’m not in Yonkers, or NYC. So I am pretty sure i’m in the clear. I just can’t find any gun shop near me lol… when my brother and his wife bought a rifle for her brother in queens, they drove an hour outside of queens into long island ---
**Author:** ![Inn-Tune](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/inn-tune/32/7588_2.png) [@Inn-Tune](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Inn-Tune)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/43 "2009-12-07T10:04:57Z")
Here’s a few Mossberg dealers that are relatively close. Davis Sport Shop 120 Rt. 17 Sloatsburg, NY 10974 (845) 753-2198 Ramsey Outdoor 240 Rt 17 Paramus, NJ 07652 (201) 261-5000 Chapel Sports 116 Atlantic Ave Richmond Hill, NY 11418 ---
**Author:** ![dtvburns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@dtvburns](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dtvburns)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/44 "2009-12-07T10:16:52Z")
870 Turkey > **[This is Remington Country](https://www.remington.com/)** > > For more than 200 years, Remington firearms have been forged from the untamed spirit that will always define the American spirit — Revolutionizing an industry. Building a nation. This is Remington Country. Has a 23 inch barrel. With the thumb hole stock it is easy to maneuver in close quarters or shoot from the hip at very close range. Fitted with a extension tube it can hold 9 with one in the pipe. Good utility gun for the home or field. Mossberg has a version that has a collapsible stock also good for dual use. ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/45 "2009-12-07T10:18:20Z")
> [@JEG](#): > > The 500 and 870 are both very good, very reliable guns. I have a mossberg 500. Ive never had any problems with it. As far as home defense, Don’t listen to people trying to tell you that buckshot is the way to go!! You want a low brass field load, preferably #6 or 7 shot. Low brass loads are devistating at close range, and will not cause a shot ton of collateral damage. Buckshot will go through a wall or 2 and can kill anyone standing on the other side. The enegery delivered from a low brass load is more than sufficient to fuck someone up. +1 good info there. ---
**Author:** ![n20junkie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/n20junkie/32/7396_2.png) [@n20junkie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/n20junkie)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/46 "2009-12-07T13:52:20Z")
> [@ultradriver10000](#): > > Under the [National Firearms Act (NFA)](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act) it is illegal for a private citizen to possess a sawed-off modern smokeless powder shotgun (a barrel length less than 18 in. or 46 cm and an overall length less than 26 inches) **without a tax-stamped permit from the [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Alcohol,_Tobacco,_Firearms_and_Explosives), which requires a background check and a $200.00 fee for every transfer.** Yea, well see if NYS allows a SBS, Full Auto, SBR, or AOW. ---
**Author:** ![97FormulaWS-6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/97formulaws-6/32/7384_2.png) [@97FormulaWS-6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97FormulaWS-6)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/47 "2009-12-07T13:55:14Z")
> [@d3x](#): > > copper jacketed, 9 pellets, .33" diameter each. One of these would knock anyone down for good. I understand your concern for collateral damage as these would penetrate walls like a rifle caliber. But I want to make damn sure if I have to actually use my shotty that even if the guy hides behind a wall I’m going drop him. Yup… that’s what I’ve got loaded in mine… ---
**Author:** ![KuntryQuestTSi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kuntryquesttsi/32/5010_2.png) [@KuntryQuestTSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KuntryQuestTSi)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/48 "2009-12-07T15:09:47Z")
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**Author:** ![Hass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/51bf81/32.png) [@Hass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hass)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/49 "2009-12-07T15:52:55Z")
for those of you that own one and if you’re going to use it for home defense… where’s the line drawn between home invasion and such? Because I’ve heard reports of robbers breaking in to someones house, hurting themselves on something in said house and then suing the owner and winning. so i mean… if someone breaks in to your home, and you shoot them… do you go to jail? orrrr what has to happen for you to not? Dumb question I know, but I’ve been considering getting one as of late, but doubt I’d ever use it for protection because of ^^ ---
**Author:** ![ImportMuscle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/importmuscle/32/7615_2.png) [@ImportMuscle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ImportMuscle)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/50 "2009-12-07T16:35:50Z")
![http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL174/1021972/18168454/375834642.jpg](http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL174/1021972/18168454/375834642.jpg) I’m currently hunting with this gun, Remington 870 trap, i ditched the ribbed barrel and Got a nice rifled Hastings Paradox barrel for it, and got a Bushnel Sportview. Most accurate, dependable, and smooth shotgun i have used too date. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/51 "2009-12-07T16:53:01Z")
> [@Hass](#): > > for those of you that own one and if you’re going to use it for home defense… > > where’s the line drawn between home invasion and such? > Because I’ve heard reports of robbers breaking in to someones house, hurting themselves on something in said house and then suing the owner and winning. > > so i mean… if someone breaks in to your home, and you shoot them… do you go to jail? > orrrr what has to happen for you to not? > > Dumb question I know, but I’ve been considering getting one as of late, but doubt I’d ever use it for protection because of ^^ > **[New York Penal Law Section 35.20 - Justification; use of physical force in...](https://law.onecle.com/new-york/penal/PEN035.20_35.20.html)** > > New York state laws includes New York consolidated laws on banking, business corporations, criminal procedure, domestic relations, estates, crimes, taxes and workers' compensation. ---
**Author:** ![nitroinsane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d26b3c/32.png) [@nitroinsane](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/nitroinsane)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/52 "2009-12-07T17:10:53Z")
I really want to buy a gun ---
**Author:** ![ieatpaint](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ieatpaint/32/7311_2.png) [@ieatpaint](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ieatpaint)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/53 "2009-12-07T17:33:06Z")
+1 for the Mossberg 500. I just bought a full camo and it’s a great gun. It’s my second mossberg, mainly because I’m left-handed so it perfect with the safety on the top of the gun and since it’s pump I don’t get hit in the face when a shell ejects from a semi-auto. Mine’s not for home defense but I’d still recommend it. ---
**Author:** ![dtvburns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@dtvburns](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dtvburns)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/54 "2009-12-08T04:57:18Z")
> [@KuntryQuestTSi](#): > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEa2HVyZ26I](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEa2HVyZ26I) Good for ducks, trap, sporting clays and maybe upland but not good for the home. ---
**Author:** ![d3x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8491ac/32.png) [@d3x](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/d3x)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 5:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/55 "2009-12-08T05:57:31Z")
> [@Hass](#): > > for those of you that own one and if you’re going to use it for home defense… > > where’s the line drawn between home invasion and such? > Because I’ve heard reports of robbers breaking in to someones house, hurting themselves on something in said house and then suing the owner and winning. > > so i mean… if someone breaks in to your home, and you shoot them… do you go to jail? > orrrr what has to happen for you to not? > > Dumb question I know, but I’ve been considering getting one as of late, but doubt I’d ever use it for protection because of ^^ Having a gun for home defense is kinda like countries having nukes. The gun is more a deterrent from home invasion and you will likely never pull the trigger. You can’t just shoot a guy cause they broke in your house. But if you catch the guy and he threatens your life rather than running for the hills then you can use deadly force. ---
**Author:** ![n20junkie](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/n20junkie/32/7396_2.png) [@n20junkie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/n20junkie)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/56 "2009-12-08T13:38:46Z")
> [@d3x](#): > > Having a gun for home defense is kinda like countries having nukes. The gun is more a deterrent from home invasion and you will likely never pull the trigger. You can’t just shoot a guy cause they broke in your house. But if you catch the guy and he threatens your life rather than running for the hills then you can use deadly force. If he breaks in your house while your there, then he or she has just threatened your life. ---
**Author:** ![Viper966](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/viper966/32/7268_2.png) [@Viper966](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Viper966)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/57 "2009-12-08T15:27:07Z")
> [@n20junkie](#): > > If he breaks in your house while your there, then he or she has just threatened your life. This is true… ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/58 "2009-12-08T15:34:32Z")
I love Texas too bad NYS doesn’t have a Castle Law. > A Castle Doctrine (also known as a Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an American legal doctrine that arose from English Common Law[1] that designates one’s place of residence (or, in some states, any place legally occupied, such as one’s car or place of work) as a place in which one enjoys protection from illegal trespassing and violent attack. It then goes on to give a person the legal right to use deadly force to defend that place (his/her “castle”), and/or any other innocent persons legally inside it, from violent attack or an intrusion which may lead to violent attack. In a legal context, therefore, use of deadly force which actually results in death may be defended as justifiable homicide under the Castle Doctrine. > Castle Doctrines are legislated by state, and not all states in the US have a Castle Doctrine. The term “Make My Day Law” comes from the landmark 1985 Colorado statute that protects people from any criminal charge or civil suit if they use force – including deadly force – against an invader of the home.[2] The law’s nickname is a reference to the famous line uttered by Clint Eastwood’s character Harry Callahan in the 1983 film Sudden Impact, “Go ahead, make my day.” I know this is wiki but it is a good summery. ---
**Author:** ![Bsp\_TC](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bsp_tc/32/4998_2.png) [@Bsp\_TC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bsp_TC)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/59 "2009-12-08T18:05:25Z")
> [@d3x](#): > > Having a gun for home defense is kinda like countries having nukes. The gun is more a deterrent from home invasion and you will likely never pull the trigger. You can’t just shoot a guy cause they broke in your house. But if you catch the guy and he threatens your life rather than running for the hills then you can use deadly force. your word vs a dead guys word. Someone breaks into my house you know damn well they will catch a .40 ---
**Author:** ![burnt\_toast](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/burnt_toast/32/7518_2.png) [@burnt\_toast](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/burnt_toast)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869/60 "2009-12-08T18:11:07Z")
> [@Bsp TC](#): > > your word vs a dead guys word. Someone breaks into my house you know damn well they will catch a .40 just don’t shoot them in the back, make sure they are still in your house when you shoot, and make sure they are dead, and not in a way where you clearly “finished them off”. …you were scared, you just kept pulling the trigger until all the bullets were gone. Make sure you’re in your underwear when the police show up. You are traumatized. …THEN…MAYBE it’s a dead guy’s word vs yours. edit: in ny, anyway… [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/shotgun-purchasing-qs/76869.md?page=4)