# So Ford won. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [April 16, 2009, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283 "2009-04-16T11:57:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/21 "2009-04-16T12:27:38Z")
BRB going to go buy a 250hp AWD Focus! I think I might even pay $15k just to thank them for not taking tax money! ---
**Author:** ![dreid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dreid/32/7388_2.png) [@dreid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dreid)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/22 "2009-04-16T12:28:26Z")
> [@sobo](#): > > I got sent a flyer thing from a ford dealer, I didn’t see much else on it I’m just saying it’s cheap, its AWD, and its a nicer car than a cobalt I think you mean fusion. there is no AWD 250 horse foci. Mike, I am the same way. My dad worked for the woodlawn plant. I remember going to car shows out there and checking out the plant. My dad bringing home brand new cars and trucks for test rides. There are so many awesome stories that my dad has told about the plant and his co-workers. I do want a used TBSS but besides that, I am strickly a ford guy. last summer my neighbor asked who worked for ford as we had my dads mountaineer, my sisters explorer, my focus and my wifes escape all in my back yard. I will always drive a ford. hell I just picked up another focus for a project(this is my 3rd focus). ---
**Author:** ![Mike93](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike93/32/7325_2.png) [@Mike93](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike93)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/23 "2009-04-16T12:30:38Z")
> [@sobo](#): > > I’m not talking about an SS or anything. How many SS’s do you see out there? Last time I checked they weren’t the typical family car. > > I’m talking fucking Econo cars. Try telling me you like how the base Cobalt, G5, or anything cheap looks from GM. > > Life isn’t about fast cars, a vast majority of people look for cheap cars that offer a lot of bang for the buck transport wise. Dammit…here goes the domestic hatewagon:banghead: Since I’m here, I feel the need to defend. You rag on domestic econo cars as being boring/cheap/no bang for the buck/etc, go find me an exiting econo car that’s non domestic that is so superior in your mind that you feel the need to bash. ---
**Author:** ![sobo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sobo/32/5267_2.png) [@sobo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sobo)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/24 "2009-04-16T12:32:50Z")
My bad I meant Fusion. Whatever it was it was AWD, a bit optioned and $13somethingk new.(Obviously it had some incentives) > [@Mike93](#): > > Dammit…here goes the domestic hatewagon > > Since I’m here, I feel the need to defend. You rag on domestic econo cars as being boring/cheap/no bang for the buck/etc, go find me an exiting econo car that’s non domestic that is so superior in your mind that you feel the need to bash. First off, I hate economy cars, I’m a muscle car guy. I hate Imports in general unless it’s RWD, AWD, Turbocharged, or in general something special. I like fords economy cars. GM and Chrysler have nothing I’d think about buying in the econo car class. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/25 "2009-04-16T12:33:24Z")
Sometimes I wish I had gone domestic. For the same money as my Xterra I probably could have gotten a nicer Explorer. Granted the Xterra has had zero problems/squeaks/nuisances so far so I’m not unhappy, but oh how I miss leather and a more-than-four speaker stereo. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/26 "2009-04-16T12:34:24Z")
> [@sobo](#): > > My bad I meant Fusion. > > Whatever it was it was AWD, a bit optioned and $13somethingk new. Nope. You mixed two in your mind I think. You can get a base FWD 140hp Focus for $13k or an AWD 250hp Fusion for like $26-30k. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/27 "2009-04-16T12:36:59Z")
> **[Compare Cars - Car Comparator Tool • Edmunds](https://www.edmunds.com/car-comparisons/?styleid=101028089&styleid=101033164&styleid=100980402&styleid=101159141&styleid=101061076&maxvehicles=5&refid=&op=3&tab=features)** > > Research new and used cars including car prices, view incentives and dealer inventory listings, compare vehicles, get car buying advice and reviews at Edmunds.com Well look at that. 5 comparable econoboxes. The Cobalt has the most horsepower, best gas mileage, and is the cheapest to buy in the real world. Sorry, pwned. ---
**Author:** ![sobo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/sobo/32/5267_2.png) [@sobo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/sobo)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/28 "2009-04-16T12:39:18Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > [http://www.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/edmunds/VehicleComparison?styleid=101028089&styleid=101033164&styleid=100980402&styleid=101159141&styleid=101061076&maxvehicles=5&refid=&op=3&tab=features](http://www.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/edmunds/VehicleComparison?styleid=101028089&styleid=101033164&styleid=100980402&styleid=101159141&styleid=101061076&maxvehicles=5&refid=&op=3&tab=features) > Well look at that. 5 comparable econoboxes. > The Cobalt has the most horsepower, best gas mileage, and is the cheapest to buy in the real world. Sorry, pwned. It’s still ugly, it still has a shitty quality interior. A lot of people wouldn’t buy it for that reason. Especially half the population(Women) ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/29 "2009-04-16T12:40:16Z")
oh, so your factual arguments turn out to be wrong so you cling to the subjective ones since they’re opinion-based. Gotcha. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/30 "2009-04-16T12:41:49Z")
ford focus interior is going to have the same, if not worse build quality than GM. I have heard of several instances of people that own both GM and Ford cars, that have random interior pieces, like handles/locks/switches just fall off. Spend the extra 1-2k on the civic that will outlast them both. IMO Ford hasn’t won shit. Congrats, on scraping by with the bare minimum. ---
**Author:** ![dreid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/dreid/32/7388_2.png) [@dreid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dreid)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/31 "2009-04-16T12:43:14Z")
> [@Mike93](#): > > I really hope this thread doesn’t derail too late ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/32 "2009-04-16T12:44:06Z")
Funny part is my officemate came in today and the first thing he said to me was “Buy American!” as he dropped a big bolt on the desk. Fell out of the shift linkage of his 2007 Shelby Mustang in the parking lot this morning. :lol: ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/33 "2009-04-16T12:44:57Z")
> [@dreid](#): > > too late Our generation is full of blind import humpers the same way that our parents are all blind import haters. :shrug: The more things change… ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/34 "2009-04-16T12:46:29Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > Funny part is my officemate came in today and the first thing he said to me was “Buy American!” as he dropped a big bolt on the desk. Fell out of the shift linkage of his 2007 Shelby Mustang in the parking lot this morning. :lol: > [@Fry](#): > > Our generation is full of blind import humpers the same way that our parents are all blind import haters. :shrug: The more things change… it’s not a blind hate. Read the post above you. OH WAIT, IT WAS YOUR POST!! I seriously wish that I could honestly justify going out and buying a Domestic designed/built car right now. I just can’t seem to gain any faith in the product though. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/35 "2009-04-16T12:50:07Z")
Ford **would** have won in a free market capitalistic model. GM and Chrysler would be gone and they’d cornerSince we’ve gone to this quasi-socialist “every company is too big to fail” model no one has failed. In fact, you could argue GM won because the good for the short term, horrible for the long term decisions they made managed to get their stock as high as the $80’s. Ford on the other hand with their better long term decisions has never seen their stock crack the $40 mark. And there in lies the beauty of the bailout. You fuck the guy who took the responsible route by keeping his risk taking competition in business. ---
**Author:** ![dubbin91](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dubbin91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dubbin91)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/36 "2009-04-16T12:51:04Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > Sometimes I wish I had gone domestic. For the same money as my Xterra I probably could have gotten a nicer Explorer. Granted the Xterra has had zero problems/squeaks/nuisances so far so I’m not unhappy, but oh how I miss leather and a more-than-four speaker stereo. Then get a VW…oh wait you also mentioned the xterra did have any problems, squeaks etc…:mamoru: ---
**Author:** ![ubengineering](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ubengineering/32/5171_2.png) [@ubengineering](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ubengineering)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/37 "2009-04-16T12:52:51Z")
yay im rich ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/38 "2009-04-16T12:53:43Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > Our generation is full of blind import humpers the same way that our parents are all blind import haters. :shrug: The more things change… Import humpers are allowed to be blind when their only other option is what domestic makers have been putting out for the last 20 years. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/39 "2009-04-16T12:56:40Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Ford **would** have won in a free market capitalistic model. Since we’ve gone to this quasi-socialist “every company is too big to fail” model no one has failed. In fact, you could argue GM won because the good for the short term, horrible for the long term decisions they made managed to get their stock as high as the $80’s. Ford on the other hand with their better long term decisions has never seen their stock crack the $40 mark. > > And there in lies the beauty of the bailout. You fuck the guy who took the responsible route by keeping his risk taking competition in business. Which would have been a shame, since GM’s current product line has some of the best stuff they’ve ever had, and beats Ford’s pretty soundly. ---
**Author:** ![snowracer101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@snowracer101](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/snowracer101)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/40 "2009-04-16T13:38:30Z")
The thing that pisses me off about GM is…they CAN build nice,quality cars…they just choose not to. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283.md?page=3)