# So Ford won. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [April 16, 2009, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283 "2009-04-16T11:57:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 5:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/61 "2009-04-17T05:34:07Z")
> [@mike125k](#): > > I love how people make blanket statements like this because “they heard from people…” It’s never their own actual experience, but just stories, “my friend’s brother’s 3rd cousin had a Ford and she got a flat tire once, all their cars are terrible, buy a civic.” My girlfriend had a 2001 for zx2 in college. Don’t even get me started on that thing. Sad Sad day when a car as new as a 2001 is only worth 1200 a few years later. However, I don’t have any personal stories, because I don’t feel like I should have subject myself to shitty product, just to be able to say that I had one and it sucked. Ford has a lot of dissatisfied customers, that is for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/62 "2009-04-17T05:35:41Z")
Oh shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 5:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/63 "2009-04-17T05:37:51Z")
Hey man, I am just trying to make the point that, yeah, they survived but by the skin of their teeth and by decent business decisions. They didn’t survive by having the best product, that is for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 5:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/64 "2009-04-17T05:39:08Z")
Thanks for contributing to the thread! Silly me thought this might be an interesting discussion of things like how when Ford first started building the Model T they revolutionized manufacturing with the assembly line and reduced the time to build them from (and my memory is slipping a bit as it’s been 7 years since I wrote a paper on this) 12 hours in 1907 to one rolling off the line every 17 seconds in 1929. Those numbers are close but approximate as I don’t remember exactly. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 5:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/65 "2009-04-17T05:40:19Z")
what the fuck forum did you think you were on? everything turns into hate city here. see: [http://nyspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69117](http://nyspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69117) ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 5:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/66 "2009-04-17T05:42:42Z")
True. I need to go elsewhere for a decent conversation about cars. ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/67 "2009-04-17T05:43:58Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > Hey man, I am just trying to make the point that, yeah, they survived but by the skin of their teeth and by decent business decisions. They didn’t survive by having the best product, that is for sure. I guess its just a fluke then that the F-150 was the highest selling vehicle in the US for the 27th year in a row. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/68 "2009-04-17T05:44:35Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > True. I need to go elsewhere for a decent conversation about cars. it’s the sad truth or, you could just try talking about BMWs or one of newman’s cars. Basically, that is the only way. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/69 "2009-04-17T05:48:23Z")
> [@mike125k](#): > > I guess its just a fluke then that the F-150 was the highest selling vehicle in the US for the 27th year in a row. not a fluke at all. The F-150 makes a lot of sense because it is cheap. The equivalent import model is significantly more expensive. Small business owners that need these trucks as fleet cars for construction, landscape, gov’t, etc…, need a cheap pick-up. Cheap to own, and cheap to fix. They don’t care about options, comfort, interior fit and finish. They care that it can haul some shit and not hurt the wallet. ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/70 "2009-04-17T05:56:26Z")
I give up :banghead: ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/71 "2009-04-17T05:59:02Z")
> [@mike125k](#): > > I give up :banghead: You shouldn’t have started… the American auto industry is where it is today for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/72 "2009-04-17T06:16:30Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > not a fluke at all. > > The F-150 makes a lot of sense because it is cheap. The equivalent import model is significantly more expensive. Small business owners that need these trucks as fleet cars for construction, landscape, gov’t, etc…, need a cheap pick-up. Cheap to own, and cheap to fix. They don’t care about options, comfort, interior fit and finish. They care that it can haul some shit and not hurt the wallet. So in other words, it’s the Camry of trucks. Cheap to own, and cheap to fix cause it doesn’t break that much. The owners are all women and don’t care about performance, styling, fun to drive factor, etc. They care that it can haul them and the kids around and not hurt the wallet. Another appliance. > [@Fry](#): > > But yeah Chevy sucks and Subaru’s rule. I hear the Mercury Montego is really nice. :spank::zong: ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/73 "2009-04-17T06:17:40Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > And I just thought it was neat that Ford was the last one standing. 1907 they introduced the model T, 2008 they’re the only domestic car company not partially owned by the government. > **[Choosing Its Own Path, Ford Stayed Independent (Published 2009)](https://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/business/09ford.html?em)** > > In what seemed like a desperate act three years ago, Alan R. Mulally’s decision to come up with private loans to stay afloat has proven to be its saving grace. Ford is the only domestic automaker I’d consider buying a car from. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/74 "2009-04-17T06:17:43Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > it’s the sad truth > > or, you could just try talking about BMWs or one of newman’s cars. Basically, that is the only way. Or he could just ban you from any thread about domestics so the rest of us could get back to the decent discussion that was going on. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/75 "2009-04-17T06:19:44Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Or he could just ban you from any thread about domestics so the rest of us could get back to the decent discussion that was going on. can we then ban the GTR haters from GTR threads? ---
**Author:** ![Bacon](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bacon/32/7230_2.png) [@Bacon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bacon)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/76 "2009-04-17T06:19:57Z")
Honestly looking at a lot of new cars out there, domestic cars in general have a ways to go still. Granted it’s all subjective opinions when it comes to things like these, and this isn’t the thread for it. Ford is hardly out of the fire yet, but they are getting there. ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/77 "2009-04-17T06:21:54Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Or he could just ban you from any thread about domestics so the rest of us could get back to the decent discussion that was going on. Why, because he disagrees??? Im confused as to where the decent discussion ever was past post 1? ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/78 "2009-04-17T06:25:02Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > So in other words, it’s the Camry of trucks. Cheap to own, and cheap to fix cause it doesn’t break that much. The owners are all women and don’t care about performance, styling, fun to drive factor, etc. They care that it can haul them and the kids around and not hurt the wallet. Another appliance. I would think that there are domestic 4-door sedans that are CHEAPER than a camry, that could fit the bill just the same. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/79 "2009-04-17T06:27:40Z")
I mean cheaper to maintain. They want something they can put gas in and change the oil once a year and that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![RedGoober4Life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redgoober4life/32/7610_2.png) [@RedGoober4Life](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedGoober4Life)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/80 "2009-04-17T06:28:06Z")
Whoa. I didn’t know we were getting the Fiesta: [http://www.fordvehicles.com/2011fiesta/index.asp](http://www.fordvehicles.com/2011fiesta/index.asp) looks fabulous… [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283.md?page=5)