# So Ford won. **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [April 16, 2009, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283 "2009-04-16T11:57:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/81 "2009-04-17T06:28:16Z")
> [@MOBOOST4U](#): > > Why, because he disagrees??? Im confused as to where the decent discussion ever was? We are living through an historic and tragic event in the history of an industry that built a large portion of the American middle class and made the hobby that we are all part of nyspeed for a part of our culture, yet this place can’t hold a conversation that requires more thought than “American cars are crap lulz!” And people think I don’t post in Gen Auto anymore because I don’t have an interest in cars… ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/82 "2009-04-17T06:31:03Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > I mean cheaper to maintain. They want something they can put gas in and change the oil once a year and that’s it. I guess I just don’t see your point…the camry is a solid car that is cheap to maintain. Can the same be said about a ford focus? I am not so sure. ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/83 "2009-04-17T06:31:48Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > We are living through an historic and tragic event in the history of an industry that built a large portion of the American middle class and made the hobby that we are all part of nyspeed for a part of our culture, yet this place can’t hold a conversation that requires more thought than “American cars are crap lulz!” > > And people think I don’t post in Gen Auto anymore because I don’t have an interest in cars… so this was supposed to be a history/politics/economy thread? Don’t we have enough of those on nyspeed? ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/84 "2009-04-17T06:33:33Z")
The point is that the Camry is engineered to be boring enough that people don’t break it. When housewives vote with their dollars and say boring is good, in a capitalist economy, the car producers make more boring cars. Eventually, everything is boring. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/85 "2009-04-17T06:35:07Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > so this was supposed to be a history/politics/economy thread? Don’t we have enough of those on nyspeed? Fine. You win. OMG FORD SUCKS LESS THAN GM AND CHRYSLER LOL! ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/86 "2009-04-17T06:35:42Z")
Last! ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/87 "2009-04-17T06:36:18Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > We are living through an historic and tragic event in the history of an industry that built a large portion of the American middle class and made the hobby that we are all part of nyspeed for a part of our culture, yet this place can’t hold a conversation that requires more thought than “American cars are crap lulz!” > > And people think I don’t post in Gen Auto anymore because I don’t have an interest in cars… And yes, thats where I wish this discussion had gone too, but obviously 1)You are a moderator on nyspeed and should understand that this was the only direction this thread could have gone lol. And 2) That JayS is blaming boarjunky for derailing this talk when realistically, there was hardly one post that covered what you intended on discussing. No doubt its sad and I will admit, I hopped on the Ford hate too, but did you honestly expect that with the maturity level of this site, for people to be able to handle this? ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/88 "2009-04-17T06:36:23Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > We are living through an historic and tragic event in the history of an industry that built a large portion of the American middle class and made the hobby that we are all part of nyspeed for a part of our culture, yet this place can’t hold a conversation that requires more thought than “American cars are crap lulz!” > > And people think I don’t post in Gen Auto anymore because I don’t have an interest in cars… :bigclap: ---
**Author:** ![boardjnky4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@boardjnky4](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/boardjnky4)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/89 "2009-04-17T06:38:08Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > The point is that the Camry is engineered to be boring enough that people don’t break it. When housewives vote with their dollars and say boring is good, in a capitalist economy, the car producers make more boring cars. Eventually, everything is boring. give the people what they want enthusiasts make up a pretty small populations of auto owners. We really don’t get much say in the matter. Trust me, I feel your pain. It SUCKS that toyota has ZERO sporty cars out. Nissan is rolling with just the 370z and the GTR(does that even count). Honda discontinued the s2000, leaving just the civic si as a “sports car”(which it HARDLY is) so yes, it sucks that modern cars are SUPER boring. However, they are more economical and reliable than they have ever been, and that is something that this world needs. And, that goes for all brands, domestic, jap, and euro cars have ALL come a long way from what they were 20 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![drvnkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drvnkd/32/109615_2.png) [@drvnkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drvnkd)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/90 "2009-04-17T06:48:10Z")
> [@Fry](#): > > Thanks for contributing to the thread! > > Silly me thought this might be an interesting discussion of things like how when Ford first started building the Model T they revolutionized manufacturing with the assembly line and reduced the time to build them from (and my memory is slipping a bit as it’s been 7 years since I wrote a paper on this) 12 hours in 1907 to one rolling off the line every 17 seconds in 1929. Those numbers are close but approximate as I don’t remember exactly. W/o Ford, Toyota would not be where it is today. It was Americans that revolutionized Japanese production methods. edit: I can’t shake the feeling that my grandchildren will have the same feelings to wards domestics autos that I have to wards Harley Davidson. I see HD as a huge failure. The imports came and started beating up on them in races so they stopped racing. The shitty thing for the big 3 is that they can produce a similar quality car at nearly the same cost as the import companies. They were able to add thousands of dollars purely as profit for no other reason than people keep paying it. Whether or not it is true that the quality is much better, the perception in the market is just that. Then, unlike American companies, you actually reinvest and refine products and processes until you are a full generation ahead. You also get to launch luxury car brands that use most of the same parts and the same business model. All this because of American intervention. ---
**Author:** ![66impalass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/66impalass/32/7429_2.png) [@66impalass](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/66impalass)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/91 "2009-04-17T07:37:21Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > can we then ban the GTR haters from GTR threads? ^he is the reason I really haven’t posted in this thread, he just really doesn’t understand it, and wont be for it if its not a Nissan with a shitty warranty ---
**Author:** ![deebo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deebo/32/5218_2.png) [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 8:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/92 "2009-04-17T08:34:02Z")
ford pretty much shaped the entire auto industry in one way or another it’s just that the student has surpassed the master ---
**Author:** ![38stang](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/38stang/32/7479_2.png) [@38stang](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/38stang)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/93 "2009-04-17T08:53:29Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > ford focus interior is going to have the same, if not worse build quality than GM. I have heard of several instances of people that own both GM and Ford cars, that have random interior pieces, like handles/locks/switches just fall off. > > **Spend the extra 1-2k on the civic that will outlast them both. IMO Ford hasn’t won shit.** > > Congrats, on scraping by with the bare minimum. :blah::blah: we are only talking about american car companies here u idiot.:fail: ---
**Author:** ![deebo](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deebo/32/5218_2.png) [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/94 "2009-04-17T08:55:44Z")
i vote boardjnky being banned for april due to this thread ---
**Author:** ![jt76](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jt76/32/5100_2.png) [@jt76](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jt76)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/95 "2009-04-17T08:58:24Z")
Every car is a piece of shit and has issues… yes even imports. Ford is offering some AWESOME products as is GM, they just need to gets their ducks in order. The import humping/domestic bashing on this website, usually by retards that drive rot box hondas or hand me down mini vans, gets worse and worse as time goes on. ---
**Author:** ![38stang](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/38stang/32/7479_2.png) [@38stang](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/38stang)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/96 "2009-04-17T08:59:50Z")
i vote him banned for may and april. he posts the same shit in every thread remotely related to import/domestic ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/97 "2009-04-17T09:00:43Z")
> [@jt76](#): > > The import humping/domestic bashing on this website, usually by retards that drive rot box hondas or hand me down mini vans, gets worse and worse as time goes on. Yeah, rot boxes that have thousands of dollars less in repairs to them than that of their domestic counterparts, and will still resell for more. Jus sayin. Wait, is F-body drama slowly becoming… import drama??? ---
**Author:** ![jt76](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jt76/32/5100_2.png) [@jt76](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jt76)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/98 "2009-04-17T09:03:30Z")
> [@MOBOOST4U](#): > > Yeah, rot boxes that have thousands of dollars less in repairs to them than that of their domestic counterparts. > > Jus sayin. You don’t repair something that isnt worth keeping, you just get a new one for $1000. Jus sayin There is no F body drama, there are however a bunch of retards on here that take every opportunity to hate on American cars. ---
**Author:** ![MOBOOST4U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@MOBOOST4U](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MOBOOST4U)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 9:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/99 "2009-04-17T09:09:45Z")
> [@jt76](#): > > You don’t repair something that isnt worth keeping, you just get a new one for $1000. I dint wanna shit up this thread, but I was talking about the overall life of the car in relation to anyone who had owned it. For pretty much any buyer at any stage of any car, an import will always be cheaper to own. This is mainly because of domestic build quality. Id take a 95 Accord over a 2000 Grand Am anyday, even if they were the same cost. ---
**Author:** ![Mike93](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike93/32/7325_2.png) [@Mike93](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike93)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283/100 "2009-04-17T09:17:02Z")
> [@MOBOOST4U](#): > > I dint wanna shit up this thread, but I was talking about the overall life of the car in relation to anyone who had owned it. For pretty much any buyer at any stage of any car, an import will always be cheaper to own. This is mainly because of domestic build quality. > > Id take a 95 Accord over a 2000 Grand Am anyday, even if they were the same cost. And for every scenario an import lover can bring up I can counter with just as many stories of where domestics have outlasted imports. Hell, I own two such examples; a Mustang that gets beat everytime I drive it and keeps wanting more, and a 230K SHO that I’ve owned for 4 years and really haven’t had to do much of anything to keep it on the road. I’d have to add up my receipts but I think I’m hovering around $1000 for over 4 years and 50K miles of service that I’ve put on it. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/so-ford-won/66283.md?page=6)