# some info on XMZ **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [July 5, 2005, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388 "2005-07-05T10:06:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![fshowcars](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fshowcars/32/5937_2.png) [@fshowcars](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fshowcars)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/21 "2005-07-06T12:26:00Z")
no track times… no care. ---
**Author:** ![Quik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/quik/32/5979_2.png) [@Quik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quik)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/22 "2005-07-06T13:44:05Z")
another reply to these guys…i figure ppl should also know > [@KC\_2004](#): > > I knew you would show up sooner of later, ha ha. Who told you? Ah, where should I begin. First of all, how would your customers like to know that you let your 12 year old(?) son drives their cars around. I don’t care if he can drive, my dad let me drive at 12 years old, too. But not other people’s car, and certainly not customer’s cars. Come on, I know you will come up with an excuse for this one, it would not be like you not to. > > Man, it is funny how every car that I know that went to you “some how” came in with a blown computer. > > 1. My brother’s car shows up and you say his computer is faulty, that is why it won’t tune right. So, I tell you to get a A9L computer and tune it. You said that a A9L won’t work. So, you call Ford, ProCharger, and Diablo and ask them what what do do. Ford calls you back and says, what, oh yeah, get a A9L computer. Well, you tuned the car to \*\*\*\*. Black smoke spits out the tail pipes. When I say spits, I mean raw gas would mist out. Now, I am not a master mechanic, but I know that much that it should not happen. Fast forward to this this past year. My brother takes his car to a well know place. Hummmm…, he checks the original Cobra computer, seems to be nothing wrong with it. He puts the oringal computer back in the car and tunes it back to where it was before, plus some. Yes, he brought you a new MAF because you said it was not working properly for whatever reason. Well, he sold that MAF to another person and it works fine. All this----\>FACT > > 2. Read this thread: > [http://steelcitystangs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=987](http://steelcitystangs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=987) > Ah, another computer problem. Oh, no actually his tranny was shot as he posted in another thread. He said it was working fine when he brought it in. > So----\>FACT > > 3. I was told first hand by someone in the serivce dept at W&W, mechanic perhaps, all about you. I did not bring up your name first. I was in for service work and my brother picked me up. The mechanic recognized his car and said it was down there and that he had to look at the computer, which by the way was fine. I said it was at your place, which he knew, and he rolled his eyes and told me the whole story, along with a few others. He is also the one that told me about the 5.0 whose engine he had to replace. He was the one that told me you were fired from there, and other there said the same thing. They had no reason to lie about it. You are not that important that they would waste 30mins of my and their time explaining all this to me, so neither would I on here. So I’m the punk-bitch. What are you, from the Hill Distrcit. > So—\>FACT > > So 0 for 3 in my books is a loosing record. Of course you can not do a 100% job on every car, no body can, but what are the chances that only heard of the 3 that you messed up. I have never read a good thing about your tuning, and neither had anyone else is that is a true tuner. Now, I have heard that your mechanical ability to do things is OK, that I saw at your shop. > > But your tuning. I can’t waste anymore of my time, but I will. Yeah, I bitched about my dyno numbers. Know why? Because they are full of \*\*\*\*. Yes, I know, I know, you said it a million and one times, a Mustang dyno runs lower numbers, no \*\*\*\* Einstein. But not 100 hp lower than a Dynojet. I dynoed 342 on your and 447 on a Dynojet. 105 is a big no way. 400 I would have taken. I was not the only one that questioned it. > Read here: [Mustang Dyno Number, help!!! | Mustang and Ford Performance Forums](http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15370) > > From people all over, not just in the area. I even called a few tuners in different states and they said something is wrong. They first questioned your dyno, but then questioned you as a tuner. That is when I went to get it re-dynoed, dynojet mind you, and the 447 number is what I got. You yourself even said 25% loss on a Mustang dyno. So lets see: > Dynojet accounting 15% loss-- 447/85=5.25_100=525fwhp > Mustang Dyno accounting 25% loss–should be as everyone says, 400 rwhp > 400/75=5.33_100=533fwhp. > Your dyno 342/75=4.56\*100=456fwhp. > > Now anyone that has any freaking idea about these cars knows that 390 underrated from the factory, with a pulley, CAI, exhaust is not only 456 hp. The best part was my A/F at 19.1. That’s why you were not able to take my car above 5800rpm, you said my car went nuts. How about you equipment? Oh that rights, everyone else’s is wrong, your’s is all so right. Explain that to me with out an excuse. The other shop had me at 11.7-11.8 all day long. Learn to tune. > > Then you gave the bull\*\*\*\* excuse well, those guys, no one inparticular, did not calculate their dyno, they must have moved it and not reset it. All kinds of bull\*\*\*\* excuses was getting old, Ray. You were never wrong, and if you were, you covered it up with another excuse. Honestly, you should have let you partner, Brian is it? You should have had him speak for you. You on the other hand should stay away from any find of Ford, I would say mainly Mustangs. > > Ah, now for the 12.6 1/4 ET. When? I never went a 12.6. I went went from a 12.98 stock to a 12.3 with a pulley and then finshed the year with a 12.00@119mph with a 1.7 60’ time. Why not out of 12.0, ask a few of the guys that were at Quaker when I blew my clutch running the 12.3. I did not think my clutch was shot, but I will take their word for it as they have been racing years longer than I have. Estimating 1.7 60’ and 119mph is a ~11.6 run. Ask around dip\*\*\*\*, these are not the easiest cars to launch, most people with those numbers runs those times, a few better, a few worst. This is not like driving a FWD import. Oh and who was laughing, like all you had time to do was BS with people about my times. I think you should be more worried about getting customers tunes right and not wasting time talking about my times. I know, and you can say I should be more worried about my times and not your tuning abillities. Well, guess what jerk-off, my times are not costing other people $100s of dollars in junk tunes. Cry, cry, quit being a hater… > > And for the get a life part. You need a new career/more education more than I need a life. If looking out for people means needing to get a real life, then so be it. But I don’t think than making sure people do not get screwed mean having to a get a life. I just want to make sure that you do not get any more business than you deserve. There a 100s of tuners out there that know what they are doing many a times over than you do, and I will be sure to send people to them. I did not bad mouth you at first. I thought maybe my brother got the non-luck of the draw and said so be it. But, when I started hearing things from other people about you, customers and other mechanics a like, well things took a 180 degree turn for the worst. What the hell do I need to lie about about. I did not come on here and start yelling about you. Someone asked, so I responded in the best fashion, from what I know. If I came on here and said you just did such a fantastic jolly-good job, then I would be lying. > > I am not going to play internet tough guy with you, so don’t come on here like your a hard ass cause your not. You are the one that came on here attacking me. Yes, I know I said some things about you, but not you as person, but as a tuner. But if you want to play that game, then quit talking with the tone of voice like a 13 year girl and like your mouth is stuffed with a bag of \*\*\*\*. I am sure I will think of more, but I will end it here unless you prefer to continue this little debate. And don’t say “grow up”. Grown-ups don’t talk smack behind a computer like you are. I was not talking smack, I was giving someone advice. Cry me another one, my-little-RAY-of-sunshine. > > EDITED: What was originally written here I decided to edit. I like this board and do not want to be the trouble maker, or cause any tension. If it was anywhere but here, I would have. But we are trying to get this board going strong and what I wrote here was not exactly the kind of message to get across to new members. For all of those that read it, you know how I feel, and for those of that did not, you got the jist of it. Lou, I apologize for this, but losing $1500 b/c apparently his car was all messed up is not someting to be taken lightly, as well as all the other people that have also. Once again, I am sorry guys. > > Love Always, > KC > > PS. Sorry about this LOU, I do not want to come on here and start \*\*\*\*, especially on a buddy’s sight. But I will not let someone run their mouth to me and attack me with retaliating, and this guy deserves all the \*\*\*\* he has made for himself. If you feel this is inappropriate, you can delete this(but please not til he reads this). You know I do not start \*\*\*\* unless \*\*\*\* is deserved. Thanks man…KC ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/23 "2005-07-06T13:44:19Z")
HAHAHAH i love how i got brought into this, and as far as bad computer how coem im still driving around with it, and the best thing of xmz is how they sit there and bad mouth customer cars, oh how bout how my breaks went out after the wiring harness got ripped out when it was strapped on the dyno, so how bout leave the kid with the trans am out of this stupid shit, thanks have a nice life ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/2X/b/b7170c8eddc0b95ece6b88172b2f416a08489a45.png) [@system](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/24 "2005-07-06T13:47:08Z")
by the way kc u the guy with the maroon cobra ? from out south hills i think it is ---
**Author:** ![77rednecktruck](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/77rednecktruck/32/5966_2.png) [@77rednecktruck](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/77rednecktruck)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/25 "2005-07-06T13:51:50Z")
damn, that’s some nice ownage right there. ---
**Author:** ![imported\_jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/53a042/32.png) [@imported\_jim](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_jim)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/26 "2005-07-06T14:33:07Z")
Apparently, this XMZ **is** the place to go for lambo doors… ---
**Author:** ![whitey](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/whitey/32/5911_2.png) [@whitey](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/whitey)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/27 "2005-07-06T14:53:21Z")
definitely interesting stuff… ---
**Author:** ![DTMVENG24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@DTMVENG24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DTMVENG24)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/28 "2005-07-06T15:00:59Z")
> [@77rednecktruck](#): > > damn, that’s some nice ownage right there. Yea for real! ---
**Author:** ![venom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8c91f0/32.png) [@venom](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/venom)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2005, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/29 "2005-07-06T16:00:19Z")
I ran into Ray back a few years when I had a pro-charged cobra. After talking to him for awhile, and talking to one of his customers, and let him take the car and fix it. One week later I got it back, asked him what he did…“i turned up the fuel pressure…it took me 2 minutes” The car had something like 300-400 miles on it. From that point on the rear end sounded like it was going to fall out anytime you accelerated. Ghey. ---
**Author:** ![PittsburghSvt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3da27b/32.png) [@PittsburghSvt](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PittsburghSvt)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/30 "2005-07-12T13:06:32Z")
the place is kinda shabby… I thought they ran a prettly legit operation, guess not though… they did build that Twin Turbo 350z, w/n20… Nutz did all the audio/video… I knew there was something about them when i saw how they dynoed a car… roll the speedo to about 5mph, and then peg the pedal to the floor??? Ive never seen it done like that, and it just looks like it put so much strain on the car… ---
**Author:** ![imported\_jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/53a042/32.png) [@imported\_jim](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/imported_jim)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/31 "2005-07-12T13:17:44Z")
> [@PittsburghSvt](#): > > the place is kinda shabby… I thought they ran a prettly legit operation, guess not though… they did build that Twin Turbo 350z, w/n20… Nutz did all the audio/video… I knew there was something about them when i saw how they dynoed a car… roll the speedo to about 5mph, and then peg the pedal to the floor??? Ive never seen it done like that, and it just looks like it put so much strain on the car… I can assure you that that is _not_ how you dyno a car on a Mustang brand dyno. ---
**Author:** ![berad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/berad/32/5953_2.png) [@berad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/berad)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/32 "2005-07-12T13:22:08Z")
> [@jim](#): > > I can assure you that that is _not_ how you dyno a car on a Mustang brand dyno. Yea, if Im not mistaken it usually starts on a roll of 3,000rpm in 3rd gear depending on the gear ratio of the car ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/33 "2005-07-12T13:26:20Z")
take all your work to Jesse at VisionCustoms in Ben Avon [www.visioncustoms.com](http://www.visioncustoms.com) (shameless plug) ---
**Author:** ![ZEX350Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/87869e/32.png) [@ZEX350Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ZEX350Z)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/34 "2005-07-12T22:56:25Z")
Went to get my nitrous bottle filled there. They told me they could only get 7 lbs in my bottle cause their pump sucks. Still charged me full price. Guess they don’t know after the first 3 or 4 punds are gone it doesn’t hit as hard. They had their noses up to me when I came in. Would probably have to reconsider getting filled up there again…especially for $5/lb. for a faulty fill. I don’t even think they got 7 lbs. in…told me they don’t want to get involved in any heavy work b/c they are moving south. Seems like they need to get their own problems together before they start working on car problems… sorry guys…from a standard consumers standpoint, I give you two thumbs down…bad experience. Let me know if you want to refund my money 😉 ---
**Author:** ![The1SloR\_T](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/the1slor_t/32/5984_2.png) [@The1SloR\_T](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/The1SloR_T)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2005, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/35 "2005-07-12T23:57:27Z")
> [@ZEXaccord](#): > > Went to get my nitrous bottle filled there. They told me they could only get 7 lbs in my bottle cause their pump sucks. Still charged me full price. Guess they don’t know after the first 3 or 4 punds are gone it doesn’t hit as hard. They had their noses up to me when I came in. Would probably have to reconsider getting filled up there again…especially for $5/lb. for a faulty fill. I don’t even think they got 7 lbs. in…told me they don’t want to get involved in any heavy work b/c they are moving south. Seems like they need to get their own problems together before they start working on car problems… > > sorry guys…from a standard consumers standpoint, I give you two thumbs down…bad experience. Let me know if you want to refund my money 😉 woah woah woah… how bout makin a noob post my fiesty little newbie!:hsugh: ---
**Author:** ![BlkP42E](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blkp42e/32/5938_2.png) [@BlkP42E](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/BlkP42E)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 5:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/36 "2005-07-13T05:08:56Z")
PM fshowcars or vw16cabby on here. they fill nitrous. cheapest around ---
**Author:** ![smokeyburnouts](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/smokeyburnouts/32/5987_2.png) [@smokeyburnouts](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/smokeyburnouts)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/37 "2005-07-13T05:26:21Z")
> [@Quik](#): > > another reply to these guys…i figure ppl should also know damn, ive hung out w/ that dude…he seems real straight forward…nice kid…i didnt know he went through a bunch of shit w/ XMZ ---
**Author:** ![Quik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/quik/32/5979_2.png) [@Quik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quik)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 7:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/38 "2005-07-13T07:34:44Z")
> [@BlkP42E](#): > > PM fshowcars or vw16cabby on here. they fill nitrous. cheapest around fore sure, cant beat 3.5lb that i know of ---
**Author:** ![vw16vcabby](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/vw16vcabby/32/5943_2.png) [@vw16vcabby](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/vw16vcabby)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/39 "2005-07-13T16:02:46Z")
yup, we are still fillign bottle, 3.50 per lb. and i bet i can squeeze 12-14lbs in a 10 lb bottle 🙂 also, thats why u make them weigh the bottle b4 they fill, then after they fill and watch the scale so u can see how much is put in. ---
**Author:** ![Quik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/quik/32/5979_2.png) [@Quik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quik)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2005, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388/40 "2005-07-13T21:38:09Z")
yep my last fill i got 12lbs out of it [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/some-info-on-xmz/175388.md?page=1)