# Something I agree with Obama on. **URL:** \ **Category:** PolitiSUCK\ **Created:** [September 27, 2009, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091 "2009-09-27T13:08:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![drvnkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drvnkd/32/109615_2.png) [@drvnkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drvnkd)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/21 "2009-09-28T06:38:27Z")
Another thought… What about dumping H.S and come up with a program that gets 18 y/o kids a bachelors degree instead of H.S. Not everyone would be able to do it I’m sure, but think of the advantage for those that could… ---
**Author:** ![08GT500](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/08gt500/32/5417_2.png) [@08GT500](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/08GT500)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/22 "2009-09-28T06:44:42Z")
> [@Just Karter](#): > > Either way college is a waste of government and state funding anyways, they could small down the budget if they actually taught you shit you needed for your field, and didnt make you take irrelevant filler classes. All I have to say is wow. I sincerely hope for your sake that you’re fucking around. ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/23 "2009-09-28T06:47:42Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > ^ The problem is the trend toward “mainstreaming”. Everyone gets taught the same lesson plan, even the half retarded kid. A herd can only move as fast as it’s slowest member, so if you have 20 above average kids and 2 far below average kids your entire class moves at the pace of the 2 below average kids. In our liberal society that’s deemed “fair”. > > My mom is nearing retirement as a public school teacher and she can’t wait to be out. Right now she has two kids in her class that require one on one aides. So everything she teaches the class she has to then wait while these one on one aides work with their slow kids. This is in kindergarten, a grade where kids are expected to be reading now by the time they move to first grade. The way the mainstreaming system works is teachers can recommend these kids be moved to special education but they have to be “tested out” of the main curriculum. The system is designed so moving anyone out of the main curriculum is the last resort. That takes about 2.5 years in NYS, so all the other kids are held up for their first 2.5 years of education. But holding up all these smart students is fine because the liberals get to say at least we’re not discriminating against any slow kids. I can’t believe this actually goes on now, guess I was really in the dark. So a teacher can’t hold a student back a grade in elementary school anymore like the always used to? Instead they just force them through and dumb down the class, how is this helpful to anyone. I still can’t get over the fact there are special aids for kindergarden kids in the normal class. Do they not do pre-testing before kindergarden to see if the kid even belongs? It’s no wonder our education system sucks. I do agree on the parenting part though. A friend of mine teaches 3rd grade in a Buffalo Public School and some of the stories I hear from her just amaze me. ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/24 "2009-09-28T06:52:39Z")
Mainstreaming does suck. But it’s certainly not a liberal issue. You should see the level of knowledge, or lack thereof, people come out of schools in the South with when they get their diploma, even compared to what the average HS graduate comes out of school in NY with. When I was going to go to University of South Carolina, the first two years of subject matter, or the first one if i went in the Honors Program, was review from what I’d covered in HS, and that was a top 50 business school. I’d certainly like to believe they’re not ALL that slow. ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/25 "2009-09-28T06:56:53Z")
^ While I am certainly no fan of liberals, I do agree this problem is not solely caused by them. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/26 "2009-09-28T07:12:07Z")
> [@mike125k](#): > > I can’t believe this actually goes on now, guess I was really in the dark. So a teacher can’t hold a student back a grade in elementary school anymore like the always used to? Instead they just force them through and dumb down the class, how is this helpful to anyone. > > I still can’t get over the fact there are special aids for kindergarden kids in the normal class. Do they not do pre-testing before kindergarden to see if the kid even belongs? > > It’s no wonder our education system sucks. I do agree on the parenting part though. A friend of mine teaches 3rd grade in a Buffalo Public School and some of the stories I hear from her just amaze me. They do pre-testing, but unless the kid is an extreme case they mainstream them and hope they can bring them up to speed. And holding kids back a year in those early grades is highly discouraged because it labels them, and they carry that with them through their entire schooling. And I’m sorry, that’s that whole liberal “can’t hurt anyone’s feelings, everyone should get a trophy” mentality. Regardless of the happy little stories we tell kids not everyone gets to grow up to be a doctor, lawyer or rocket scientist. No one wants to give up on a kid in kindergarten but you can’t hold back an entire class just because you don’t want to move one or two kids into special education. If you really want to help those kids improve the special education system so maybe they can be mainstreamed one day if they can keep up with out holding the mainstream back. ---
**Author:** ![08GT500](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/08gt500/32/5417_2.png) [@08GT500](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/08GT500)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/27 "2009-09-28T07:19:03Z")
“No child left behind” ---
**Author:** ![drvnkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drvnkd/32/109615_2.png) [@drvnkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drvnkd)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/28 "2009-09-28T07:23:08Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > “can’t hurt anyone’s feelings, everyone should get a trophy” I love those people… They watch a kid crash and burn terribly, then say, “Great job”… Uh… NO!.. Great TRY… try again… rinse and repeat. ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/29 "2009-09-28T07:28:53Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > And I’m sorry, that’s that whole liberal “can’t hurt anyone’s feelings, everyone should get a trophy” mentality. There should be a big sign above the front door of schools that says, “Life isn’t fair” ---
**Author:** ![drvnkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drvnkd/32/109615_2.png) [@drvnkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drvnkd)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 7:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/30 "2009-09-28T07:32:10Z")
> [@08GT500](#): > > “No child left behind” Would you like fry’s with your mediocrety? ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/31 "2009-09-28T07:36:50Z")
[quote=“drvnkd,post:30,topic:74091"”] Would you like fry’s with your mediocrety? [/quote] :eyebrow: ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 7:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/32 "2009-09-28T07:39:47Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > If you really want to help those kids improve the special education system so maybe they can be mainstreamed one day if they can keep up with out holding the mainstream back. Reminds me of an old Simpson’s episode when Bart got put into special ed and said to the teacher, “Ok let me get this straight, we are behind our class and we are going to catch up by going slower than they are?” ---
**Author:** ![mike125k](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike125k/32/7282_2.png) [@mike125k](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mike125k)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/33 "2009-09-28T07:40:57Z")
[quote=“drvnkd,post:30,topic:74091"”] Would you like fry’s with your mediocrety? [/quote] I think he meant to say fries, as is working at Burger King. But I could be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/34 "2009-09-28T07:48:38Z")
I will say these 2 things. 1. Obama ALWAYS has an alterior motive.(Think union) 2. Give me a voucher for the $6668.00 I just paid in school taxes so I have a choice of where to send my kid. ---
**Author:** ![drvnkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drvnkd/32/109615_2.png) [@drvnkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drvnkd)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/35 "2009-09-28T07:50:21Z")
> [@mike125k](#): > > I think he meant to say fries, as is working at Burger King. But I could be wrong. Correct. ---
**Author:** ![drvnkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drvnkd/32/109615_2.png) [@drvnkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drvnkd)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/36 "2009-09-28T07:53:30Z")
> [@Blue Eyed Devil](#): > > I will say these 2 things. > > 1. Obama ALWAYS has an ulterior motive.(Think union) > 2. Give me a voucher for the $6668.00 I just paid in school taxes so I have a choice of where to send my kid. 1. Think of it as your help in keeping an average education level for the society your kids are going to have to live and work in. ---
**Author:** ![08GT500](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/08gt500/32/5417_2.png) [@08GT500](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/08GT500)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/37 "2009-09-28T07:55:57Z")
[quote=“drvnkd,post:30,topic:74091"”] Would you like fry’s with your mediocrety? [/quote] Assumptions are great. ---
**Author:** ![drvnkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drvnkd/32/109615_2.png) [@drvnkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drvnkd)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 8:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/38 "2009-09-28T08:03:27Z")
Average is fine for people like me, but not my offspring ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Penfold](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/penfold/32/5007_2.png) [@Penfold](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Penfold)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/39 "2009-09-28T11:56:30Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > Mainstreaming does suck. But it’s certainly not a liberal issue. You should see the level of knowledge, or lack thereof, people come out of schools in the South with when they get their diploma, even compared to what the average HS graduate comes out of school in NY with. When I was going to go to University of South Carolina, the first two years of subject matter, or the first one if i went in the Honors Program, was review from what I’d covered in HS, and that was a top 50 business school. I’d certainly like to believe they’re not ALL that slow. Well it wasn’t any different at UB. I remember there was a kid in my freshmen year english class who could barely read or write at a 6th grade level. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/40 "2009-09-28T12:01:11Z")
Did he by any chance drive a Mazda 6? :rimshot: > [@6crews 1st international meet Pics!](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/6crews-1st-international-meet-pics/74110/19): > > There has to be a way to tie this to the education thread… I just can’t figure it out. :thankyou: [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091.md?page=3)