# Something I agree with Obama on. **URL:** \ **Category:** PolitiSUCK\ **Created:** [September 27, 2009, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091 "2009-09-27T13:08:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/41 "2009-09-28T13:03:24Z")
> [@joelster](#): > > I’m sure that lots of teachers who value their summers off would think twice about their career choices, lol. Some wouldn’t care since they do the summer school thing and/or coaching, but many veteran teachers would not like this without a significant raise in salary. > > x2 on the parenting though. Obviously some of you guys have never been inside a Buffalo City school. I delievred to an **elementary school** last year way down off of military ave, and once I got inside and headed to the office, all I heard was this frantic page over the intercom for some “code” to room “whatever”, and all of these peope in the office ran out the door. It was some security code for a teacher needing assistance in the classroom for a big fight. The kids in these schools are simply animals with zero values. You cannot educate 90% of them. I agree with most of this. City dwellers care nothing for education and pass that along to their kids. Its a complete cycle of shit. NY has some of the hardest qualifications in becoming a teacher. We spend millions on updated classroom tech, constant research in methodology and professional development. I personally feel that its not our school systems that are failing as much as it is this countries parents and the kids themselves. There comes a point when the students need to take responsibility for why THEY are failing. As far as summers off are concerned, I don’t know a single teacher under 50 that has their summers “off”. I have been teaching for five years more or less and have always either NEEDED to teach summer school or find a summer job ---
**Author:** ![Penfold](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/penfold/32/5007_2.png) [@Penfold](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Penfold)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/42 "2009-09-28T13:33:09Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > I agree with most of this. City dwellers care nothing for education and pass that along to their kids. Its a complete cycle of shit. > > NY has some of the hardest qualifications in becoming a teacher. > > As far as summers off are concerned, I don’t know a single teacher under 50 that has their summers “off”. I have been teaching for five years more or less and have always either NEEDED to teach summer school or find a summer job It is a little crazy what NY requires to be a teacher given the low salary involved. I have a feeling (don’t mean to offend you personally) that is why many teachers are not exactly up to par themselves. The “smarter” people go for the higher paying jobs. Of course this is not true in all cases but I am sure we can remember plenty of lack-luster teachers from school. ---
**Author:** ![Deathproof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dec6dc/32.png) [@Deathproof](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Deathproof)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/43 "2009-09-28T14:10:19Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > They do pre-testing, but unless the kid is an extreme case they mainstream them and hope they can bring them up to speed. > > And holding kids back a year in those early grades is highly discouraged because it labels them, and they carry that with them through their entire schooling. > > And I’m sorry, that’s that whole liberal “can’t hurt anyone’s feelings, everyone should get a trophy” mentality. Regardless of the happy little stories we tell kids not everyone gets to grow up to be a doctor, lawyer or rocket scientist. No one wants to give up on a kid in kindergarten but you can’t hold back an entire class just because you don’t want to move one or two kids into special education. If you really want to help those kids improve the special education system so maybe they can be mainstreamed one day if they can keep up with out holding the mainstream back. The problem is we already have the normal class. And the non-inclusion class(basically severely handicapped kids). And usually AP classes. How many stratifications can we make? This really reminds me of arguements about prisons where people say why should we care about their conditions. Because most of them are going to end up back in society. Gee, kind of like schooling, these kids are going to end up in society. If we don’t teach to them, they will end up raping us white people. Literally. I don’t want to get raped. Let’s get them to a point where they can at least swing a hammer and think they are important. Now you sound like the liberal, it’s a FREE education. You want a good education, pay for it. That is valuing education. You aren’t going to get a harvard education for free. You probably aren’t going to get your kid into Harvard if he went to public school. I know, I know, society uses education to meet it’s needs. And we are falling behind. Well I think the majority of people are stupid, and are completely happy living pointless lives till they die. At least if they are happy they aren’t raping me. We should be happy meeting that need at this point. But seriously, we need parenting to push education. We need HARD AP classes to push the few smart kids(or maybe just the kids who aren’t genetically pre-disposed to be stupid and have parents that value education) and opportunities for them to attend the BEST schools. And this needs to happen everywhere, because prodigies can happen even in poor environments. The truth is average people in any economy does not need that much education. But leaders in industry and science need to be the best in the world. That is what derives progress. It’s sad but it’s true, it’s an oligarchy. And then of coarse the smartest individuals almost always believe that society and most of its functions are silly and see no purpose in helping advance any facet of a large group of average people’s lives(this is true of individuals of the HIGHEST intelligence). So we don’t want to make people too smart. Oh I will be a teacher, I want summers off, but I think students should not have three months of summer off. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/44 "2009-09-28T14:28:24Z")
> [@Deathproof](#): > > Now you sound like the liberal, it’s a FREE education. You want a good education, pay for it. That is valuing education. You aren’t going to get a harvard education for free. You probably aren’t going to get your kid into Harvard if he went to public school. You twat waffle. That would ensure beyond a shadow of a doubt that poor will beget poor. Oh, and for the record my sister in law is a product of the elite hamburg school district. She finished her bachelors at Boston University and is in her second year at Harvard Dental right now. :ohyeah: ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/45 "2009-09-28T14:39:08Z")
> [@Penfold](#): > > It is a little crazy what NY requires to be a teacher given the low salary involved. I have a feeling (don’t mean to offend you personally) that is why many teachers are not exactly up to par themselves. The “smarter” people go for the higher paying jobs. Of course this is not true in all cases but I am sure we can remember plenty of lack-luster teachers from school. Teaching is a passion. I knew I wanted to teach since I was in 10th grade. Anyone who gets into it for the “summers off” will realize the pay sucks and its exhausting work especially if you are teaching in the city. From what I have heard the turnover rate is about five years. After five years the “lackluster” tend to get out. Probably after a few failed attempts at tenure. ---
**Author:** ![ultradriver10000](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ultradriver10000/32/7397_2.png) [@ultradriver10000](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ultradriver10000)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/46 "2009-09-28T14:40:35Z")
I want to be rapped. I really don’t want to offend any teachers, but my sister is going to be a teacher. Someone is actually already allowing her to be a substitute teacher. My sister is a complete dumb ass, I would not want any child to be watched by her, yet alone taught by her. / Rant Oh and I \<3 Jer Jer. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/47 "2009-09-28T14:41:16Z")
Parents need to be held accountable for their kids education. ---
**Author:** ![Penfold](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/penfold/32/5007_2.png) [@Penfold](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Penfold)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/48 "2009-09-28T14:45:48Z")
> [@StrokedZ28](#): > > Parents need to be held accountable for their kids education. $10 tax for every point less than 1600 on the SAT’s? lmao How about dumb/lazy people should stop reproducing? ---
**Author:** ![Joe](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/joe/32/7219_2.png) [@Joe](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Joe)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/49 "2009-09-28T14:59:59Z")
> [@Deathproof](#): > > Now you sound like the liberal, it’s a FREE education. You want a good education, pay for it. That is valuing education. You aren’t going to get a harvard education for free. You probably aren’t going to get your kid into Harvard if he went to public school. The President of the United States would say otherwise. And the problem is part stupid people procreation, part family culture of not giving a damn, and part limitations based on where you go to school. The more rural, Southern, and low-income place you grow up, generally the worse the public schools are. But education cannot be neglected. It is our only comparitive advantage vs. the rest of the world that allows us to demand so much higher pay. ---
**Author:** ![StrokedZ28](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/strokedz28/32/7592_2.png) [@StrokedZ28](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/StrokedZ28)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/50 "2009-09-28T16:49:52Z")
> [@Joe](#): > > The President of the United States would say otherwise. > And the problem is part stupid people procreation, part family culture of not giving a damn, and part limitations based on where you go to school. The more rural, Southern, and low-income place you grow up, generally the worse the public schools are. But education cannot be neglected. It is our only comparitive advantage vs. the rest of the world that allows us to demand so much higher pay. That may explain the south to a point but look at the city of Buffalo, some of those schools are absolutely amazing and are better equipped than many suburban schools and they are treated like garbage by the students. Being poor is not an excuse for bad behavior especially when the state gives you the means to better yourself with an education. Granted there are those kids that grow up in neglected households, but many of them have enough to make a foundation for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![glitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/0ea827/32.png) [@glitch](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/glitch)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/51 "2009-09-28T17:24:10Z")
So how does longer schooling fit into all this? I’m sure the welfare kings & queens everyone bitches about would love to send their children to school longer. Less time and money for them to spend at the expense of tax payers. Smells like hypocritical lazy parents in this thread. Telling people to “step up” but you want the schools to take a load off your hands… This thread = :picard: ---
**Author:** ![swerve](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/swerve/32/7504_2.png) [@swerve](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/swerve)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/52 "2009-09-28T17:34:02Z")
> [@Just Karter](#): > > if they are going year round they can shorten highschool so you graduate at age 16, like england. > > how many more people would have went to college if they could have went at 16 as apposed to 18 > > Either way college is a waste of government and state funding anyways, they could small down the budget if they actually taught you shit you needed for your field, and didnt make you take irrelevant filler classes. Good point… ---
**Author:** ![Spam16v](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/spam16v/32/5287_2.png) [@Spam16v](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Spam16v)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/53 "2009-09-28T18:37:20Z")
listening to my fiance talk about taking juggling as a required phys-ed class really made me wish i spent $25k a year @ a liberal arts college just to put it on my resume and end up nearly 6 figures in debt just with undergrad. thank got she was smart and got scholarships. ---
**Author:** ![dubbin91](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dubbin91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/dubbin91)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/54 "2009-09-29T06:22:24Z")
> [@Just Karter](#): > > if they are going year round they can shorten highschool so you graduate at age 16, like england. > > how many more people would have went to college if they could have went at 16 as apposed to 18 > > Either way college is a waste of government and state funding anyways, they could small down the budget if they actually taught you shit you needed for your field, and didnt make you take irrelevant filler classes. Once again…you are an idiot! ---
**Author:** ![08GT500](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/08gt500/32/5417_2.png) [@08GT500](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/08GT500)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2009, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091/55 "2009-09-29T06:53:26Z")
> [@dubbin91](#): > > Once again…you are an idiot! :fry: [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/something-i-agree-with-obama-on/74091.md?page=2)