# Spindles

**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/spindles/106324
**Category:** SON240sx Automotive
**Created:** [May 7, 2007, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/spindles/106324 "2007-05-07T07:44:31Z")
**Posts on this page:** 5
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### Author: ![logik23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/logik23/32/5548_2.png) [@logik23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/logik23)
#### Post date: [May 7, 2007, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/spindles/106324/1 "2007-05-07T07:44:31Z")

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Pretty easy question, are the rear spindles/knuckles the same for HICAS and non-HICAS S13s? Thx! 😃

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### Author: ![logik23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/logik23/32/5548_2.png) [@logik23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/logik23)
#### Post date: [May 9, 2007, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/spindles/106324/2 "2007-05-09T20:17:46Z")

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No one knows? ☹

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### Author: ![MRWmotorsports](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f14d63/32.png) [@MRWmotorsports](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MRWmotorsports)
#### Post date: [May 9, 2007, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/spindles/106324/3 "2007-05-09T20:23:06Z")

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They are the same except for where the toe link attaches, HICAS has a special joint presed in I believe. It looks as though you could remove it and use a regular bushing. I’ve never tried though.

-Martin.

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### Author: ![tosh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/58956e/32.png) [@tosh](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tosh)
#### Post date: [May 9, 2007, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/spindles/106324/4 "2007-05-09T22:04:46Z")

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^^^^^hence they are not the same

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### Author: ![logik23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/logik23/32/5548_2.png) [@logik23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/logik23)
#### Post date: [May 10, 2007, 4:50am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/spindles/106324/5 "2007-05-10T04:50:54Z")

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So all these kits like Kamaza and SPL to remove HICAS, or even swapping your subframe is not enough? 😕 That’s a bummer… lol