# Ssssssssssssss? **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [October 13, 2010, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030 "2010-10-13T08:41:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![jdaniels](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jdaniels/32/6399_2.png) [@jdaniels](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jdaniels)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/101 "2010-10-14T10:18:30Z")
LOL ---
**Author:** ![kdubs](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kdubs/32/6562_2.png) [@kdubs](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kdubs)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/102 "2010-10-14T10:20:10Z")
> [@Compression vs boost tradeoff](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/compression-vs-boost-tradeoff/35023/5): > > Jeeez. lol Welcome back sista. lol thanks… too bad it’s over somebody talking shit… shouldn’t be a surprise though I guess. > [@John Force Injured..](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/john-force-injured/35826/10): > > Good deal. TSP sells a 402 rotating assembly for \<$2000 for what it’s worth… Already have parts lined up… but thanks. > [@Buffalo Bills 2007 Season Discussion](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/buffalo-bills-2007-season-discussion/35063/97): > > - Buying TBSS with known engineering flaws: $17,000 > > - Buying parts for a bottom end + machine shop costs: $2000+ > > - Knowing it was going to pop becasue of a $100 oil pan AND NOT GETTING IT > > PRICELESS Money spent to prevent the issue is not really worth it compared to rolling the dice not fixing the pan since the awd is not simple like the 2wd. your pricing is off on all above comments as well… just sayin… 🙂 > [@wassup people.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wassup-people/35845/7): > > You 2 need to just make out already… who is to say they have not already? ---
**Author:** ![kdubs](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kdubs/32/6562_2.png) [@kdubs](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kdubs)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/103 "2010-10-14T10:21:01Z")
> [@7:00 PM, Sunday, 9/23/07: My Bubble Tea](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/7-00-pm-sunday-9-23-07-my-bubble-tea/35670/77): > > never again > > wait, wat? damnit… I hate when you beat me to the punch. ---
**Author:** ![deadbeatrec](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deadbeatrec/32/6401_2.png) [@deadbeatrec](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deadbeatrec)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/104 "2010-10-14T10:44:38Z")
> [@Lancaster Raceway Park - back in 08 ?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lancaster-raceway-park-back-in-08/35857/24): > > damnit… I hate when you beat the shit out of me. well u keep it up u stoopid Pirate Hooker and u will get moar! ---
**Author:** ![kdubs](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kdubs/32/6562_2.png) [@kdubs](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kdubs)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/105 "2010-10-14T10:56:33Z")
I sent a link to this thread to Brandon at Fast Motorsports as I felt he deserved to look it over… Here were his responses… > [@big red"](#): > > what was the issue? tune related? lack of fuel/timing? Motor is not out of the car yet so cause of that the failure is unknown to anyone including the owner of the car > [@Places to stay in Syracuse?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/places-to-stay-in-syracuse/35851/2): > > my car could be lasting simply because N/A the timing is retarted and I have never logged it on the bottle so all I could know is its knocking… Simply put on spray if your car was knocking it would have popped long ago. Since we are talking about your car now your tune before was basically stock. The fuel injector size and PE table were changed that was it. Your maf, ve, timing and raf all were stone stock. Your car wouldn’t idle, had nasty cold starts, would surge, would buck, and would stall. > [@FS: 93 ninja. Just added pics and a few more details](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-93-ninja-just-added-pics-and-a-few-more-details/32847/54): > > sooo what happened to kdubz car? Spun a rod bearing just like many of the awd trucks do. For reference here are just a few threads if your interested [http://www.tbssowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48438&highlight=spun+rod+bearing](http://www.tbssowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48438&highlight=spun+rod+bearing) [http://www.tbssowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45951&highlight=spun+rod+bearing](http://www.tbssowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45951&highlight=spun+rod+bearing) [http://www.tbssowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47425&highlight=spun+rod+bearing](http://www.tbssowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47425&highlight=spun+rod+bearing) [http://www.tbssowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35926&highlight=spun+rod+bearing](http://www.tbssowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35926&highlight=spun+rod+bearing) [http://www.tbssowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23872&highlight=spun+rod+bearing](http://www.tbssowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23872&highlight=spun+rod+bearing) [http://www.tbssowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23995&highlight=oil+starvation](http://www.tbssowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23995&highlight=oil+starvation) [http://performancetrucks.net/forums/showthread.php?t=434245](http://performancetrucks.net/forums/showthread.php?t=434245) > [@Dads project done.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/dads-project-done/35850/18): > > This tard-tuner is blowing up NA cars?! Ha. Hello, nice to meet you to sir. For your information and everyone on this board in 9 years of tuning this would only be the 3rd engine failure I have seen outside of the tbss rod bearing failures. If you include those then it would be a total of 6. First engine failure was from a drilled nitrous jet being used. Second failure was from a motor being hydro locked in the flooding we had around here a few years back. Third now the unknown issue currently with Ryan’s car. > [@Lancaster Raceway Park - back in 08 ?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lancaster-raceway-park-back-in-08/35857/5): > > I run 32\* of advance and 12.7:1 AFR across the boards WOT, I could advance it more if I wanted but it doesn’t help power much at that point. > [@Lancaster Raceway Park - back in 08 ?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lancaster-raceway-park-back-in-08/35857/5): > > I know in the case of Drew’s car the timing table looked more like a set of broken stairs in an abandoned building and so did the VE table. Overall the advance is very very low for his setup. I don’t think it’s unsafe, just not optimal. An ls motor is very efficient compared to a small block or lt motor. They don’t need a ton of timing to make power. So if by going from lets say 21 degrees to 25 degrees and you only pick up 3hp its not worth having that timing in there. Most of all reading spark plugs will tell you what you need to put at the motor. When we all were on the dyno I was checking plugs from both sides of the motor looking for the fuel ring and the timing mark all which were well in line. I would like to point out as well since Andrew does not have a timing controller on the car that the tune had to store the advance for the amount of spray he would be running. So even though it’s in the 21-23 degree range in the tune it needs to be that way for the spray. If it had a timing controller it would have been 3-4 degrees higher. Also, as any tuner in the lsx world will admit to the power loss from those 3-4 degrees of timing would be 5-7hp max if you are close to MBT. ![http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac32/fastune/andrewfuel.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/5/1/51fa3346ffe13ba53c563528b9a48b4d50fa3c69.jpeg) ![http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac32/fastune/andrewmaf.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/b/c/bc1a41728c01c6fc595d2ba69b671abe8e49c447.jpeg) ![http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac32/fastune/andrewtiming.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/a/5/a549d7426543f7318ca95be0c450fc142ee3045d.jpeg) Those are the exact tables straight from my laptop from Andrew’s car. NA fueling was commanded at 12.69:1 and timing was 21-23 at wot. Pulls were made as lean as 13.0:1 and rich as 12.3:1 to see where best power was made. Also NA the timing was taking up to 26 degrees and only 3 more HP was found. Since he has a larger cam that has more pumping losses they tend to like a touch more fuel and a little less timing. ![http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac32/fastune/shawnfuel.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/7/5/75475fcb8df2e0f9604805ea2f0df878f2ff380b.jpeg) ![http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac32/fastune/shawnmaf.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/2/8/2802b1d6be6eb0364672e2d29b30b0c7c49bb058.jpeg) ![http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac32/fastune/shawntiming.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/uploads/speedlife/original/3X/1/1/11a4db48fc7ee54b1e23ec0adc692ee72ed4aa12.jpeg) Those are images from Ryan’s tune. Fueling was commanded at 12.71:1 and timing was set to 26-28 at WOT. Since the car had a smaller cam they do like a leaner mix and some more timing to make best power. From 23 to 26 degrees of timing I saw an increase of 15hp. I went up to 30 degrees of timing and only saw only 3hp. Also the timing mark was too far down the ground strap for my liking. Fuel mixtures from 12.5:1-13.0:1 were tried and the best was right in the middle. > [@Photography whores step inside.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/photography-whores-step-inside/35856/5): > > no one who had their motors tuned by fast were jumping out calling the him a bad tuner but its _very_ odd that 2 out of the 3 local ones have gone thru a motor in such short peiords of time, (2 n/a motors) > [@Photography whores step inside.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/photography-whores-step-inside/35856/5): > > its just a good idea to mayb have someone over look his, but the fast guy may be better at a spray tuner over a n/a tuner, its not like these were planned to happen, it does. no1s the best tuner, theirs no such thing cause at least 1 out of every car a tuner has tuned, if they are “good” or not thet all have had motors gernade from some sort if issue It is well documented that the rod bearing failures in the tbss world are from oil starvation issues from the front sump oil pan. Even with adding an extra quart of oil to the sump I have documented oil pressure dropping from 45psi all the way down to 9psi at 3500rpm in first gear and not starting to recover until 4000rpm in second gear then by the shift point of 2-3 that it regains full pressure in the 55psi range. That is a ton of abnormal abuse the bearings are seeing from the lack of oil. It’s not a matter of if you will spin a bearing but a matter of when with those trucks. I do agree it is very odd that 2 motors had major issues so close to each other but one failure is a known issue and the second is still yet to be determined. So as weird as they are they are unrelated. I would like to thank you for pointing out nobody is perfect in this world and it’s very easy for people to start pointing fingers. Failures happen from time to time. It’s a matter of figuring out exactly what happened. Could it be tune related? Yes. Could it be a parts failure? Yes. Normally though if it was tune related it would have happened a little sooner than 6 months later even if the car isn’t driving much. The weather from when those two cars were tuned was on the cooler side in April and also since both were mass air flow systems even if the car did now start consuming more air that above 4000rpm the maf curve would handle the fueling adjustments since it is reading the literal amount of air going into the motor. A motor has a trend of airflow consumption so it’s not going to make a drastic change from one condition to the next. Also, let’s look at this all logically for a second. A tuner such as myself would not leave a car running in a way that it would cause damage. It is my job to make sure that car is running well and will continue to run well. So it is in my best interest to make sure that the work I have done is correct. I, myself, along with every other tuner and shop across this country has had a problem here and there, just how the world works. However, it is interesting that as parts are used and begin to become worn that’s it’s always the tuners fault until proven otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![kdubs](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kdubs/32/6562_2.png) [@kdubs](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kdubs)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/106 "2010-10-14T11:00:44Z")
> [@Lancaster Raceway Park - back in 08 ?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lancaster-raceway-park-back-in-08/35857/26): > > well u keep it up u stoopid Pirate Hooker and u will get moar! :hug ---
**Author:** ![TurboTravis](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbotravis/32/6406_2.png) [@TurboTravis](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTravis)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/107 "2010-10-14T11:02:38Z")
> [@Photography whores step inside.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/photography-whores-step-inside/35856/8): > > get my facts straight, u mean like your sexuality? :hugsorry had to, it was presented to me on a silver platter saying “here, make fun of TT”. I understand, as I would take advantage of any and every opportunity to bust your balls. :hug ---
**Author:** ![deadbeatrec](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deadbeatrec/32/6401_2.png) [@deadbeatrec](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deadbeatrec)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/108 "2010-10-14T11:05:22Z")
> [@Photography whores step inside.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/photography-whores-step-inside/35856/12): > > :hug > [@FS: gas powered rc truck](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/fs-gas-powered-rc-truck/32973/9): > > I understand, as I would take advantage of any and every opportunity to bust your balls. > > :hug holy shit the love, spread it all over my face! ---
**Author:** ![kdubs](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kdubs/32/6562_2.png) [@kdubs](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kdubs)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/109 "2010-10-14T11:08:37Z")
> [@Photography whores step inside.](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/photography-whores-step-inside/35856/13): > > holy shit the love, spread it all over my face! no that would be what you do to lauren… ---
**Author:** ![TurboTravis](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/turbotravis/32/6406_2.png) [@TurboTravis](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TurboTravis)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/110 "2010-10-14T11:18:48Z")
> [@Lancaster Raceway Park - back in 08 ?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lancaster-raceway-park-back-in-08/35857/29): > > no that would be what you do to lauren… We jerk each other off to (and from) the gym in my Evo. ---
**Author:** ![deadbeatrec](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deadbeatrec/32/6401_2.png) [@deadbeatrec](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deadbeatrec)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/111 "2010-10-14T11:29:17Z")
> [@Lancaster Raceway Park - back in 08 ?](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/lancaster-raceway-park-back-in-08/35857/29): > > no that would be what you do to lauren… i knew someone was watching again. ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/112 "2010-10-14T12:25:08Z")
> [@7 days until all xbox 360 nerds will be unable to do anything](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/7-days-until-all-xbox-360-nerds-will-be-unable-to-do-anything/35537/46): > > Money spent to prevent the issue is not really worth it compared to rolling the dice not fixing the pan since the awd is not simple like the 2wd. your pricing is off on all above comments as well… just sayin… 🙂 I was busting your female balls a little back there… i dont think you took it to heart, so thats good. But I fail to see how changing an oil pan out or what ever else is there that caused the problem, could cost any more than replacing the bottom end! Especially since in order to do the later… your replacing the shit you should have in the first place to prevent the problem! lol Also nice to see the tooner is backing himself up, much better than the hacks we have around here producing shit and putting themselves on the top shelf, and cant back up what they preach. :thumbup ---
**Author:** ![deadbeatrec](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deadbeatrec/32/6401_2.png) [@deadbeatrec](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deadbeatrec)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/113 "2010-10-14T12:32:44Z")
THATS IT!!! WHOS GOT A VIPER THAT I CAN KEY??? ---
**Author:** ![jdaniels](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jdaniels/32/6399_2.png) [@jdaniels](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/jdaniels)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/114 "2010-10-14T12:35:56Z")
I also have that exact tune sitting on my laptop, from Andrews car. My personal opinion is that the timing table needs to be smoothed and it will also benefit from more timing advance in general. I hate that there is timing pulled NA, so I am going to set him up with a timing tricker whether he likes is or not… ---
**Author:** ![tdi\_logik](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tdi_logik/32/6310_2.png) [@tdi\_logik](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tdi_logik)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/115 "2010-10-14T12:38:31Z")
why doesn’t he have a tune with a switch? to have 2 maps ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/116 "2010-10-14T12:39:50Z")
> [@WTB - Thermostat Housing for 1990 DSM](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/wtb-thermostat-housing-for-1990-dsm/35806/10): > > THATS IT!!! WHOS GOT A VIPER THAT I CAN KEY??? I do but I am too busy not sleeping with your soon to be ex-GF, soon to be my GF, which I will soon to be sleeping with. :lol ---
**Author:** ![deadbeatrec](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/deadbeatrec/32/6401_2.png) [@deadbeatrec](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deadbeatrec)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/117 "2010-10-14T12:41:24Z")
> [@Sky Redline\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\> Neon SRT-4](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/sky-redline-neon-srt-4/35841/14): > > I do but I am too busy not sleeping with your soon to be ex-GF, soon to be my GF, which I will soon to be sleeping with. :lol [COLOR=black]FUCKING MY BLOOD IS _REDLINEING_ AND ABOUT TO HAVE A DBOL RAGE!!![/COLOR] ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/118 "2010-10-14T12:41:30Z")
> [@Cell Manufacturers agree on standard charging port](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/cell-manufacturers-agree-on-standard-charging-port/35858/3): > > why doesn’t he have a tune with a switch? > to have 2 maps Simple… Nobody will ever be as cool as you, switch with 2 maps cant ever be duplicated. ---
**Author:** ![KrazyKid](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/krazykid/32/6371_2.png) [@KrazyKid](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/KrazyKid)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/119 "2010-10-14T12:42:32Z")
> [@deadbeatrec"](#): > > [COLOR=black]FUCKING MY BLOOD IS _REDLINEING_ AND ABOUT TO HAVE A DBOL RAGE!!![/COLOR] SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO TRADE IN YOUR CAR FOR THE EXACT SAME CAR BUT IN A DIFFERENT COLOR, THEN PARK IT IN YOUR MOM AND DADS DRIVEWAY!!! ---
**Author:** ![LS\_WS.6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ls_ws.6/32/6563_2.png) [@LS\_WS.6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LS_WS.6)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030/120 "2010-10-14T12:43:19Z")
alot of said RAGE UP IN HURR:ahh [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/ssssssssssssss/255030.md?page=7)