# state of GM **URL:** \ **Category:** PittSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [November 22, 2005, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384 "2005-11-22T12:50:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![berad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/berad/32/5953_2.png) [@berad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/berad)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/21 "2005-11-22T13:35:50Z")
> [@oneslowbowtie](#): > > it just sucks for the workers for GM that their jobs are getting cut and America doesnt support it product, ford, gm or mopar True, but when I spend my money on a product, I could give 2 shits about the feelings and lives of the people that made it. As long as I know what it is and why its better, thats enough to justify a purchase. If you buy a car just to show your patriotism you are either A) Old and stubborn or B) Narrow minded idiot ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/22 "2005-11-22T13:40:29Z")
> [@Be\_Rad](#): > > True, but when I spend my money on a product, I could give 2 shits about the feelings and lives of the people that made it. As long as I know what it is and why its better, thats enough to justify a purchase. If you buy a car just to show your patriotism you are either A) Old and stubborn or B) Narrow minded idiot C) young and stuborn. I want to give the least money as i can to japan, fuckers snuck us. When it comes to cars i can surely find an american or non-japaneese product to suit me fine. Electronics are not so easy to find american. ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/23 "2005-11-22T13:41:15Z")
> [@Quik](#): > > but why would you want a junk car like the civic,elantra/corolla are you telling me an Ion, Cobalt, Neon, or Focus is a better car than a Civic, Elantra, or Corolla? There are about a thousand auto journalists and a million mechanics who will back me up on this… > [@Quik](#): > > buy american and have pride, buy foreign and not have pride…easy solution “pride” in what? “i’m proud to buy a substandard vehicle, with a shit warranty, assembled by fat lazy douches who let a union (and not profit) dictate their wage increases?” i do what’s in my best interest. why the fuck would i penalize myself by buying an American car over a foreign one simply for a feeling of “pride”? **When an American car company puts out product comparable to Korean/Japanese makes, AND backs it up with a warranty of AT LEAST 7y/70k, I will look at an American car.** ---
**Author:** ![oneslowbowtie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/d78d45/32.png) [@oneslowbowtie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/oneslowbowtie)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/24 "2005-11-22T13:41:22Z")
> [@ShalerPunk](#): > > when america puts out a comparable product, i’ll buy american. > > a korean 130hp shitbox, loaded, with a 100k warranty, runs about $13k > > a japanese 140hp shitbox, loaded, with a 70k warranty, runs about $17k > > a cobalt (140hp?), loaded, with a 36k warranty, runs at least $17-18k… extended warranties drive that bitch up around $20k. $20k gets you a pretty fucking nice Civic/Elantra/Corolla. > > greedy american workers and a sub-par product make american car companies unable to compete. would you pay $1.75 for Faygo if Coke was $1.00? We are all greedy american workers, we make more than the average worker around the world… How many people of a asian desent are driving american cars? They support their product from there country and they are too greedy american workers also. I agree not every american car is the best but they are no means sub-par. ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/25 "2005-11-22T13:43:55Z")
> [@Cutty](#): > > C) young and stuborn. I want to give the least money as i can to japan, fuckers snuck us. lol… you’re ridiculous. those “sneaky fuckers” are employing more and more Americans in American factories, while GM ships production off to China and Korea. My GM was made in Asia… the hundreds of thousands of Camrys on the road were made by Americans. Tying car corporations to their nation of origin is pointless now. ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/26 "2005-11-22T13:45:40Z")
they couldn’t beat us in a fight so they tear us apart through economics! ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/27 "2005-11-22T13:47:49Z")
> [@oneslowbowtie](#): > > We are all greedy american workers, we make more than the average worker around the world… I make what I make because my boss chose to offer me a wage, NOT because I’m in a union that has him by the balls. > [@oneslowbowtie](#): > > How many people of a asian desent are driving american cars? They support their product from there country and they are too greedy american workers also. Who cares how many asian people drive American cars… as long as Japanese/Korean cars continue to be BETTER CARS, it’s an invalid argument. > [@oneslowbowtie](#): > > I agree not every american car is the best but they are no means sub-par. What do you consider “par”? ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/28 "2005-11-22T13:50:05Z")
> [@ShalerPunk](#): > > I make what I make because my boss chose to offer me a wage, NOT because I’m in a union that has him by the balls. > > Who cares how many asian people drive American cars… as long as Japanese/Korean cars continue to be BETTER CARS, it’s an invalid argument. > > What do you consider “par”? Benadict arnold…SELL OUT! ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/29 "2005-11-22T13:50:59Z")
> [@Cutty](#): > > they couldn’t beat us in a fight so they tear us apart through economics! :hsugh: you’re out of your fucking mind. BUSINESSES OPERATE TO MAKE MONEY, NOT TO CONQUER OTHER COUNTRIES FOR THEIR OWN. If America became economically depressed, they’d have no one to sell 250k Camrys per year. ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/30 "2005-11-22T13:52:42Z")
> [@Cutty](#): > > Benadict arnold…SELL OUT! i’m the truest american you know. nothing screams capitalism like the posts i’ve made in this thread. loving your country has nothing to do with supporting failing businesses inside of it. ---
**Author:** ![rookee](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rookee/32/5972_2.png) [@rookee](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rookee)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/31 "2005-11-22T13:52:45Z")
i’d buy american, but relatively it costs more for the same/lesser product. why? my guesses 1. poor management especially R&D and market research, i’m too young to know but i was told that they laughed at honda for years until it was too late 2. management perks are overly extensive 3. labor costs, robots do mosta the work so why should you get $50,000 to work in an assembly line… ref German cars and $40k volkswagens 4. on that note, terrible working conditions and outsourcing in foreign nations… the pyramids were cheap to build too 5. more bad management/designing/R&D 6. good old american laziness… compared to the rest of the world we work an insane work week… except the asian countries, and that’s teh only real automotive competition… so it was bound to catch up over the years F gm. the layoffs suck but no one ever guarenteed me a living so get hustling bc they ain’t calling anybody back ---
**Author:** ![OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/olds_rocketman/32/5942_2.png) [@OLDS\_ROCKETMAN](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/OLDS_ROCKETMAN)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/32 "2005-11-22T13:53:07Z")
> [@ShalerPunk](#): > > :hsugh: > > you’re out of your fucking mind. > > BUSINESSES OPERATE TO MAKE MONEY, NOT TO CONQUER OTHER COUNTRIES FOR THEIR OWN. > > If America became economically depressed, they’d have no one to sell 250k Camrys per year. they wouldn’t have to sell 250k camarys are year if GM would have killed what they did. they sold that many g-body per year in the 80’s. ---
**Author:** ![berad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/berad/32/5953_2.png) [@berad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/berad)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/33 "2005-11-22T13:53:23Z")
> [@ShalerPunk](#): > > :hsugh: > > you’re out of your fucking mind. > > BUSINESSES OPERATE TO MAKE MONEY, NOT TO CONQUER OTHER COUNTRIES FOR THEIR OWN. > > If America became economically depressed, they’d have no one to sell 250k Camrys per year. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I ❤ Pittspeed ---
**Author:** ![oneslowbowtie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/d78d45/32.png) [@oneslowbowtie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/oneslowbowtie)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/34 "2005-11-22T13:55:24Z")
> [@ShalerPunk](#): > > I make what I make because my boss chose to offer me a wage, NOT because I’m in a union that has him by the balls. > > I am not in a union > > Who cares how many asian people drive American cars… as long as Japanese/Korean cars continue to be BETTER CARS, it’s an invalid argument. > > They are “better” products now because when they weren’t “better” cars they bought them anyway. They supported there own product thats why they are better now. If we would support our own companies also big or small the same thing will happen. Instead of arguing about it and learn from everybody else around the world American workers wouldn’t be losing there jobs. > > What do you consider “par”? Any american car you dont like ---
**Author:** ![berad](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/berad/32/5953_2.png) [@berad](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/berad)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/35 "2005-11-22T13:56:31Z")
> [@rookee](#): > > F gm. the layoffs suck but no one ever guarenteed me a living so get hustling bc they ain’t calling anybody back uh, so true ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/36 "2005-11-22T13:56:54Z")
> [@Cutty](#): > > they wouldn’t have to sell 250k camarys are year if GM would have killed what they did. they sold that many g-body per year in the 80’s. because Japan didn’t have a foothold in the market yet, with the exception of Civics, Corollas, and tiny-ass pickup trucks. A Camry is a better car then a Taurus. A Civic is a better car than a Cobalt. and G-bodies wouldn’t sell for shit if they were still in showrooms… drug dealers don’t have the $28k that a G-body would cost in this day. ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/37 "2005-11-22T13:57:57Z")
> [@oneslowbowtie](#): > > Any american car you dont like If a Saturn Ion is “par”, then EVERY Japanese car to come out since 1988 is fucking FAAAAAAAAN-TASTIC. ---
**Author:** ![oneslowbowtie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/d78d45/32.png) [@oneslowbowtie](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/oneslowbowtie)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/38 "2005-11-22T14:04:30Z")
> [@ShalerPunk](#): > > If a Saturn Ion is “par”, then EVERY Japanese car to come out since 1988 is fucking FAAAAAAAAN-TASTIC. I am not saying that. Instead of opening your mouth, why dont you hear what everybody else has to say instead of telling us your opinion being the only one there is and everybody else is wrong. Go read some manuscripts from the Rush Limbaugh program… If your so right go into politics and fix things. ---
**Author:** ![ShalerPunk](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/shalerpunk/32/5976_2.png) [@ShalerPunk](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ShalerPunk)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/39 "2005-11-22T14:09:08Z")
> [@oneslowbowtie](#): > > I am not saying that. Instead of opening your mouth, why dont you hear what everybody else has to say instead of telling us your opinion being the only one there is and everybody else is wrong. Go read some manuscripts from the Rush Limbaugh program… If your so right go into politics and fix things. i have no idea what you’re trying to say. and most times, the market fixes things for us. i’m a liberal, but this is one time where i side with the conservatives. a product that cannot compete shouldn’t be given an unfair advantage due to nationalism. you buy what suits your taste. OBVIOUSLY american cars aren’t suiting people’s tastes, or GM would be BUILDING factories, not shutting them down. i refuse to sacrifice quality or value just to own an American product over a foreign one. ---
**Author:** ![Gray05](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cc9497/32.png) [@Gray05](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gray05)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/state-of-gm/178384/40 "2005-11-22T14:11:21Z")
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