# Steet Tune!? **URL:** \ **Category:** Shift518 Automotive\ **Created:** [October 21, 2008, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672 "2008-10-21T17:04:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Alpine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@Alpine](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Alpine)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/21 "2008-10-21T17:28:07Z")
> [@K20powerz](#): > > I’m not comprehending how the street tune makes the car un-drivable. :confused These Cobalt owners that got a dyno tune and re-tuned it on the street, fucked up the dyno tune probably and wasted the money they paid for the dyno tune. :nuts The street tune makes it more drivable in everyday situations. This is two reading errors today Joey. Siena education my ass. :nana Dyno tune’s aren’t terrible by any means. They are great, especially if you are after getting the most out of your car. But they can only simulate everyday driving characteristics, and well, simulating is good but it isn’t exactly the real thing. To each their own. ---
**Author:** ![kramerbuccs24](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/kramerbuccs24/32/6397_2.png) [@kramerbuccs24](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/kramerbuccs24)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/22 "2008-10-21T17:30:37Z")
Siena isn’t JDM. Street tunes are. Therefore, Street tunes\>\>\>Siena. ---
**Author:** ![Alpine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@Alpine](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Alpine)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/23 "2008-10-21T17:31:26Z")
> [@kramerbuccs24](#): > > Siena isn’t JDM. Street tunes are. Therefore, Street tunes\>\>\>Siena. Its FDM. Franciscan Domestic Market. ---
**Author:** ![LKSi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lksi/32/6316_2.png) [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/24 "2008-10-21T17:32:53Z")
Maybe this is why Synapse also does street tuning? ---
**Author:** ![JClark](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jclark/32/6309_2.png) [@JClark](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JClark)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/25 "2008-10-21T17:33:03Z")
I was being sarcastic; of course you can tune partial throttle on a dyno. ---
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/26 "2008-10-21T17:35:03Z")
> [@chris88z24](#): > > The street tune makes it more drivable in everyday situations. This is two reading errors today Joey. Siena education my ass. :nana > > Dyno tune’s aren’t terrible by any means. They are great, especially if you are after getting the most out of your car. But they can only simulate everyday driving characteristics, and well, simulating is good but it isn’t exactly the real thing. > > To each their own. wut are u talkin about dude …a dyno is gonna simulate everything a street tune will do without the hazards of doin a w.o.t rip on the streets and show a better tune as ya can load the motor and drivetrain in ways the street cant …unless whoever does your tuning sucks ,dont get me wrong i did my camaro on the street but after a dyno tune and when i changed somthin that wouldnt drastically change the tune ---
**Author:** ![LKSi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lksi/32/6316_2.png) [@LKSi](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LKSi)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/27 "2008-10-21T17:35:31Z")
> [@JClark](#): > > I was being sarcastic; of course you can tune partial throttle on a dyno. Yep, don’t know much about other platforms, but the new Hondata tuning software on the S300/Kpro allows quite a few points of partial throttle tuning ---
**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/28 "2008-10-21T17:37:38Z")
> [@chris88z24](#): > > The street tune makes it more drivable in everyday situations. This is two reading errors today Joey. Siena education my ass. :nana > > Dyno tune’s aren’t terrible by any means. They are great, especially if you are after getting the most out of your car. But they can only simulate everyday driving characteristics, and well, simulating is good but it isn’t exactly the real thing. > > To each their own. I still didn’t see my reading error in the other situation, and I am still not understanding how dyno tunes make the car less drivable for “everyday situations”. In my case, I thought the dyno tune made my car SO much better all around for driving everyday. With my street tune there was this bog that I couldn’t get rid of which was a thing with fueling that needed to be smoothed out with a dyno tune. As well as my MPG going up after the dyno tune. Oh and the performance side of things, I gained 35-40whp over the street tune. The street tune was a base tune made by this guy in Florida that I purchased K-Pro from and I messed with a little. ---
**Author:** ![cazwrx187](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/cazwrx187/32/6388_2.png) [@cazwrx187](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/cazwrx187)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/29 "2008-10-21T17:38:21Z")
I have a street tune and I am very happy with it. I could easily make 20+ more hp from a dyno tune but I don’t have the money and don’t feel like driving forever to get to an awd dyno. ---
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/30 "2008-10-21T17:41:00Z")
> [@K20powerz](#): > > I still didn’t see my reading error in the other situation, and I am still not understanding how dyno tunes make the car less drivable for “everyday situations”. In my case, I thought the dyno tune made my car SO much better all around for driving everyday. With my street tune there was this bog that I couldn’t get rid of which was a thing with fueling that needed to be smoothed out with a dyno tune. As well as my MPG going up after the dyno tune. Oh and the performance side of things, I gained 35-40whp over the street tune. The street tune was a base tune made by this guy in Florida that I purchased K-Pro from and I messed with a little. point proven on my end you can get diff throttle and load situations cleared up on the dyno that ya cant on the street ---
**Author:** ![Alpine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@Alpine](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Alpine)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/31 "2008-10-21T17:45:04Z")
> [@88slowmarro](#): > > point proven on my end you can get diff throttle and load situations cleared up on the dyno that ya cant on the street That’s weird because at least with my car a lot of people were having problems with their dyno tunes that the street tunes cleared up. Again it was from a well “respected” tuner as well. Every car is different. With my platform street tunes are the best. I was reading on the corvette forums and they are saying that they are getting the best tunes from using both. I don’t think the point of this thread was to discuss which is better, but to discuss what exactly a street tune is. ---
**Author:** ![88slowmarro](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/88slowmarro/32/6339_2.png) [@88slowmarro](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/88slowmarro)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/32 "2008-10-21T17:46:42Z")
a street tune = waste of time ;D /thread ---
**Author:** ![K20power](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/41988e/32.png) [@K20power](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/K20power)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/33 "2008-10-21T17:49:21Z")
> [@chris88z24](#): > > I don’t think the point of this thread was to discuss which is better, but to discuss what exactly a street tune is. We are not retarded here. We all know what a street tune is. It’s actually pretty self explanatory. ---
**Author:** ![Alpine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@Alpine](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Alpine)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/34 "2008-10-21T17:52:35Z")
> [@K20powerz](#): > > **We are not retarded here**. We all know what a street tune is. It’s actually pretty self explanatory. Are you sure about that? ---
**Author:** ![Boxersix](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/boxersix/32/6327_2.png) [@Boxersix](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Boxersix)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/35 "2008-10-21T17:54:07Z")
> [@chris88z24](#): > > A lot of people who dyno-tuned their Cobalts for instance had to go and re-tune theirs on the street because the drivability sucked. That’s because most “dyno tuners” are doing WOT tuning only, not various load cell tuning for drivability. It CAN be done on eddy current loading dynos, but one must be prepared to pay for it as such with average dyno rental rates of ~$100hr. That’s not your average tune/flash type of stuff there. Yea, another crazy car term with a million different definitions. “Street tuning” to me is working out kinks, setting baselines, adjusting AFR’s, etc then making adjustments that yield performance increases. Done so on a vehicle with proper instrumentation and logging capabilities, especially real-time knock sensing. Notably I’d do this on a racecar at the track during a test day. Send driver out with changes and watch logs and times, get driver feedback, make adjustments as necessary when required. I’m an oldschool CIS Porsche tuning guy. All my tuning experience was done on the street or race track yet I am a conservative tuner looking for longevity and power, not just glory numbers/performance. When you’re building and tuning $20K Porsche engines that’s a good thing, especially if they’re running 12-24hr enduros…_plus_ shooting 150hr service intervals between overhauls Can you check for peak torque and timing on the street(tuning)?..not exactly, but if you know the motor in question and tuning requirements well enough for that engines _exact_ setup you don’t have to _unless_ you’re going for an absolute balls out tune where that knifes edge is getting closer and closer. As anything it’s all in the tuner knowing WTF they’re doing with the car or motor at hand. I’ve personally set “street” tunes on old 930’s that were hard pressed to be beat by a dyno tune. I’ve logged some HORRIBLE shit too from professionals in the field that claimed a great dyno tune. Certain tuners just have certain ways of doing things and are set to their own agenda(whether right or wrong) Also, noting from that post above…you’re car should be tuned for the entire RPM range. Doesn’t matter if you don’t swing it to redline every day. It only takes that one time for you to enter that defunk cell area and pop the motor. Eh, I’ll stop now. This area just ins’t for me anyway… ---
**Author:** ![Hooked\_on\_240](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Hooked\_on\_240](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Hooked_on_240)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/36 "2008-10-21T17:56:29Z")
> [@Boxersix](#): > > That’s because most “dyno tuners” are doing WOT tuning only, not various load cell tuning for drivability. It CAN be done on eddy current loading dynos, but one must be prepared to pay for it as such with average dyno rental rates of ~$100hr. That’s not your average tune/flash type of stuff there. > > Yea, another crazy car term with a million different definitions. “Street tuning” to me is working out kinks, setting baselines, adjusting AFR’s, etc then making adjustments that yield performance increases. Done so on a vehicle with proper instrumentation and logging capabilities, especially real-time knock sensing. Notably I’d do this on a racecar at the track during a test day. Send driver out with changes and watch logs and times, get driver feedback, make adjustments as necessary when required. I’m an oldschool CIS Porsche tuning guy. All my tuning experience was done on the street or race track yet I am a conservative tuner looking for longevity and power, not just glory numbers/performance. When you’re building and tuning $20K Porsche engines that’s a good thing, especially if they’re running 12-24hr enduros…_plus_ shooting 150hr service intervals between overhauls > > Can you check for peak torque and timing on the street(tuning)?..not exactly, but if you know the motor in question and tuning requirements well enough for that engines _exact_ setup you don’t have to _unless_ you’re going for an absolute balls out tune where that knifes edge is getting closer and closer. > > As anything it’s all in the tuner knowing WTF they’re doing with the car or motor at hand. I’ve personally set “street” tunes on old 930’s that were hard pressed to be beat by a dyno tune. I’ve logged some HORRIBLE shit too from professionals in the field that claimed a great dyno tune. Certain tuners just have certain ways of doing things and are set to their own agenda(whether right or wrong) > > Also, noting from that post above…you’re car should be tuned for the entire RPM range. Doesn’t matter if you don’t swing it to redline every day. It only takes that one time for you to enter that defunk cell area and pop the motor. > > Eh, I’ll stop now. This area just ins’t for me anyway… :bowdown ---
**Author:** ![Mike3](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike3/32/6350_2.png) [@Mike3](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike3)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/37 "2008-10-21T18:10:10Z")
> [@JClark](#): > > LOL WUT > > Popcorn. +1 ---
**Author:** ![JiM\_P\_2001](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jim_p_2001/32/6364_2.png) [@JiM\_P\_2001](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JiM_P_2001)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/38 "2008-10-21T18:12:17Z")
More knowledge from the Cobalt expert… I can’t wait to see more… But seriously, quit while you haven’t been completely flamed. ---
**Author:** ![ninety1two40](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ninety1two40/32/6332_2.png) [@ninety1two40](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ninety1two40)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/39 "2008-10-21T18:43:58Z")
> [@kramerbuccs24](#): > > Street tunes are more JDM so all of you haters can FUCK OFF :lmao Street tunes are soo JDM :cool , but it’s too bad the 'balt isn’t JDM. :lol I’d street tune my car if I knew WTF I was doing, I’m still running on the base tune. But I’ll likely just get a dyno tune because I rev my shit to 7k like everyday ;D ---
**Author:** ![Ilya](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/ilya/32/6404_2.png) [@Ilya](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Ilya)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672/40 "2008-10-21T18:49:11Z")
I don’t know if this has been mentioned…but a street tune is indeed the best. However, that being said, it’s only the best when you have a good wideband that data logs. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/steet-tune/239672.md?page=3)