# STM Tuned's Project X
**URL:** https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792
**Category:** Builds
**Created:** [February 7, 2014, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792 "2014-02-07T19:04:30Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@llink78](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/llink78)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2014, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/41 "2014-03-13T06:41:28Z")
> [@AVB](#):
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> And there’s something wrong with the OEM recaros? And I’m sorry but trapping 111mph isn’t fast
Those seats weigh in at 40+ pounds each. When you going to break records everything needs to be lighter.
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### Author:  [@AVB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AVB)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2014, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/42 "2014-03-13T06:44:08Z")
> [@llink78](#):
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> Those seats weigh in at 40+ pounds each. When you going to break records everything needs to be lighter.
HOLY FUCK BRAH 40 LBS EACH!!! that’s insannnnneeeeeee better put a fucking cardboard box in place of my perfectly functioning, 40 lb ain’t gonna do shit, seats that I had.
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### Author:  [@llink78](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/llink78)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2014, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/43 "2014-03-13T06:52:13Z")
> [@deebo](#):
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> This is why I refrain from posting things on here. He has a goal for the car and these seats help him achieve his goal. You’re not going to be sitting in them. Get over it.
This is how i feel. Its borderline obnoxious some of the people here.
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> [@AVB](#):
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> HOLY FUCK BRAH 40 LBS EACH!!! that’s insannnnneeeeeee better put a fucking cardboard box in place of my perfectly functioning, 40 lb ain’t gonna do shit, seats that I had.
Im done with you. I can see that you don’t understand what it takes to break records. Read though some other build threads about going fast and breaking records and you will see all this is 100% necessary. Innovative’s Track car is stripped and weight reduced everywhere. Should he of just driven it stock and expect the same results? :ham:
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### Author:  [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2014, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/44 "2014-03-13T07:04:51Z")
> [@psphinx81"](#):
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> exactly, well put. but some people are too fucking stupid to realize this and dont realize what it takes to break records… i wonder what his car runs, i bet its not anywhere close to what chris’s car will run.
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> the seats actually look great in person and are quite comfortable too… as for the bracing point meh, kirkey probably puts that on there to save their ass. i probably shouldnt be driving my car around on the street with a full cage either but thats the risk i take. im pretty sure my shovel says i should wear safety glasses while using that too, as well as i shouldnt pump gas with my car running but guess what i do that too.
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> in the end everyone has a different opinion on how everything should be done. i can see the concern, but it will be fine.
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Right however most major racing organizations won’t let you race without those seats being back braced because it’s an issue.
So between that and the manufacture saying how they NEED to be installed a certain way I would go with their thoughts on the subject and not yours.
Please tell me he is going to run stock seat belts with these? :lol: :lol:
I’m not sure how some of you function in the real world
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### Author:  [@AVB](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AVB)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2014, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/45 "2014-03-13T07:07:40Z")
> [@LZ](#):
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> Right however most major racing organizations won’t let you race without those seats being back braced because it’s an issue.
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> So between that and the manufacture saying how they NEED to be installed a certain way I would go with their thoughts on the subject and not yours.
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> I’m not sure how some of you function in the real world
YO DUDE DONT WORRY!!! The sphinx man said it’s ok he’s gonna buy this X owner the wheel chair when he crashes
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### Author:  [@Bsp\_TC](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bsp_TC)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2014, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/46 "2014-03-13T07:09:08Z")
> [@LZ](#):
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> **Please tell me he is going to run stock seat belts with these? :lol: :lol:**
That was my next question/area of concern.
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### Author:  [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2014, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/47 "2014-03-13T07:12:12Z")
And don’t get it wrong I think STM does great work and produces great cars.
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### Author:  [@Xander](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Xander)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2014, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/48 "2014-03-13T07:13:22Z")
Man it must be the dead of winter…
Nice work, :tup: to trying to make your car faster. I’m sure the others on here are more worried about spewing the hate than your actual safety. :bloated:
X…
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### Author:  [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2014, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/49 "2014-03-13T07:22:28Z")
I would think the stock seat belts would be better than a harness ? If you want to be a super safety nazi , harnesses will hurt you in a roll over with no cage. So in this case the stock seat belts would be best (how would you mount them with no harness bar anyway?)
I don’t see this car rolling over but you never know.
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### Author:  [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2014, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/50 "2014-03-13T07:22:55Z")
> [@Xander](#):
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> Man it must be the dead of winter…
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> Nice work, :tup: to trying to make your car faster. I’m sure the others on here are more worried about spewing the hate than your actual safety. :bloated:
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> X…
This
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### Author:  [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2014, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/51 "2014-03-13T07:27:36Z")
> [@deebo](#):
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> I would think the stock seat belts would be better than a harness ? If you want to be a super safety nazi , harnesses will hurt you in a roll over with no cage. So in this case the stock seat belts would be best (how would you mount them with no harness bar anyway?)
> I don’t see this car rolling over but you never know.
That is the concept they’re race seats and require a harness
The design of the seats in most cars doesn’t allow the stock seat belts to fit tightly defeating the purpose of them.
If the OP accepts the risk that is fine with me I would rather have people be informed. However people arguing that it is safe when it’s clearly not is hilarious.
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### Author:  [@deebo](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/deebo)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2014, 7:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/52 "2014-03-13T07:29:29Z")
It seems the best option is … No seat belts ! Lol
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### Author:  [@theblue](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/theblue)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2014, 7:39am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/53 "2014-03-13T07:39:35Z")
one time on here @**[fairgentleman Z](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=312)** called me out on this poor design:
we were focused on not being taken out of the race if we got some mild bumps from behind. My attitude was very much “things will be just fine” but after debate we took the bars out.
This happened at the next race, if the driver had taken the full shock of the impact through that bar he probably would have needed more than just an ambulance ride back to the pits. This was probably a 30mph hard impact into the same style barriers used at drag strips, this evo is trapping into the triple digits.
I never really thanked @**[fairgentleman Z](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=312)** for motivating this change, but if I see something unsafe like seats people often bend with vise grips to fit them better not being supported at all up top I’m going to mention it and it’s not because I want to be a hater.
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### Author:  [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2014, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/54 "2014-03-13T07:53:16Z")
> [@theblue](#):
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> I never really thanked @**[fairgentleman Z](http://www.nyspeed.com/member.php?u=312)** for motivating this change, but if I see something unsafe like seats people often bend with vise grips to fit them better not being supported at all up top I’m going to mention it and it’s not because I want to be a hater.
:tup:
There’s a difference between this troll stuff AVB is posting and legit concern about a serious safety issue.
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### Author:  [@Onyx\_Z32](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Onyx_Z32)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2014, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/55 "2014-03-13T07:57:46Z")
Cleaning thread. Back in a minute.
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Thread re-opened, posts about who’s faster moved to here: [http://www.shift518.com/showthread.php?279121-CALLOUT-AVB-vs-psphinx81](http://www.shift518.com/showthread.php?279121-CALLOUT-AVB-vs-psphinx81)
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### Author:  [@fairgentleman\_Z](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/fairgentleman_Z)
#### Post date: [March 13, 2014, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/56 "2014-03-13T09:15:29Z")
My digested _opinion_ is this.
Factory seats heavy / over built. They can recline and support your body weight x mucho G’s.
FIA seats lighter with steel bracing or carbon fiber. Don’t recline and support your body weight x mucho G’s.
Non FIA “race” seats _may_ be even lighter but _may_ not be as strong as above. _Suggested_ to be braced in the back to support body weight x mucho G’s.
What is a hard impact? 30G’s , 50G’s… take your body weight, multiply by 30 or 50, will the seat back support that? There is also seat deflection, if a seat deflects back, seat belts get looser, the shoulder could come out from underneath the belt and or harness.
That’s not to say the best non FIA certified seat isn’t better than the worse FIA seat. Just a quick generalization.
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### Author:  [@05OrangeSS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/05OrangeSS)
#### Post date: [May 22, 2014, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/57 "2014-05-22T13:35:25Z")
If anyone was still interested it’s almost ready [](http://s1333.photobucket.com/user/moralec31/media/744CE7C9-0453-44FF-9E1D-A6FF99FB5A22_zps7nnwiwht.jpg.html)
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### Author:  [@maxwell](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/maxwell)
#### Post date: [May 22, 2014, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/58 "2014-05-22T14:18:42Z")
I’m interested still. Looks meaty.
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### Author:  [@Xander](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Xander)
#### Post date: [May 22, 2014, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/59 "2014-05-22T16:53:57Z")
Waiting to see it break some records… So yeah, interested. 🙂
X…
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### Author:  [@maxwell](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/maxwell)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2014, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stm-tuneds-project-x/234792/60 "2014-05-23T08:26:19Z")
@05OrangeSS, keep it coming man. This is a car forum, so yes there will be haters.
Legit concern here, though… what have you done with seat bracing?
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