# stupid gm... and mexico **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [September 20, 2006, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766 "2006-09-20T14:54:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2006, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/21 "2006-09-20T16:50:43Z")
Makes me wonder how many American Toyota plants have UAW presence (only one, in California as I recall). And outside the Camry, Matrix, Sienna and Tundra, the remainder are still mostly made abroad (I think only one Lexus-branded vehicle is made outside Japan). Go figure. Besides, Toyota’s been in the US for maybe 20 years, and has perhaps one or two thousand retirees (at most?). GM alone has over half a million that it’s covering for pensions, etc. I’d say that’s a pretty big handicap (IIRC, over $1400 in every new GM car goes to these “legacy” costs…) ---
**Author:** ![00zx6r](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/00zx6r/32/7244_2.png) [@00zx6r](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/00zx6r)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2006, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/22 "2006-09-20T17:25:23Z")
a mechanic at work, his wife works for american axel, and he said she will be prolly losing her job by 2008… ---
**Author:** ![ImportMuscle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/importmuscle/32/7615_2.png) [@ImportMuscle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ImportMuscle)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2006, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/23 "2006-09-20T21:11:14Z")
> [@ghettostyleTA](#): > > there were some chevy small blocks that were made in mexico. they had a higher nickel content and were more durable as a result. > > you go figure with your subtleties I coulda sworn i heard differently. Or was that the heads the guys on s10planet were talking about? :gotme: I learned something new. :tup: ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2006, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/24 "2006-09-20T21:14:25Z")
> [@00zx6r](#): > > a mechanic at work, his wife works for american axel, and he said she will be prolly losing her job by 2008… Not fast enough. ---
**Author:** ![ImportMuscle](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/importmuscle/32/7615_2.png) [@ImportMuscle](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/ImportMuscle)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2006, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/25 "2006-09-20T21:16:00Z")
ahh, here it is, some guy was wondering why his 4.3 was burning so much oil 1993blazerLT replied: do you have a made in mexico block? if so they are known to warp the cylinder walls pretty easy, i have seen this before. is he wrong? I wanna know! lol 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/blue_eyed_devil/32/7292_2.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Devil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Blue_Eyed_Devil)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2006, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/26 "2006-09-20T21:16:42Z")
> [@BaD AZz Z/28](#): > > its been gone over before, and american companies still provide more parts, more jobs, and more money from the US and back into the US than any import manufacturer. Keep the make believe to yourself and follow the money. Sucks if our jobs go elsewhere but they are still the best of whats left. History is fun but lets look at current trends.😉 Who is dumping more jobs than creating them? ---
**Author:** ![rskrause](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rskrause/32/7367_2.png) [@rskrause](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/rskrause)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 4:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/27 "2006-09-21T04:08:38Z")
> [@AWDrifter](#): > > America wants cheap stuff and they don’t care if it costs jobs here. > People don’t listen to people like me but maybe they will listen to the unions when they bitch about it. > > I have been sounding like a broken record for years about this issue!!! I’m with you on this one. How many people here besides thee and me would pay a little more for something made in the US? But they are quick to bitch about the state of the economy, why they can’t get a good job, etc. ---
**Author:** ![LAFENGAS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lafengas/32/7573_2.png) [@LAFENGAS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LAFENGAS)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 5:15am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/28 "2006-09-21T05:15:20Z")
When I left American Axle 3 years ago they were removing the extruders. To my knowledge the tonawanda plant doesn’t extrude these anymore. The AAM plant in ohio does though. The axles were upset (process that makes the flange, before extruding) at tonawanda though. But not many, most were shipped in. There are many other things affecting american axle with products that are being sourced to companies WITHIN the U.S, but with non- UAW unions. AAM’s biggest money makers are Ring Gears, Net Shaped Gears, Hubs, and Stabilizer Arms. **I’m telling you, it all boiles down to the greedy,lazy unions. And i don’t feel bad for them one bit. They (90% of them) do as little work possible throughout the day, the union backs them up, and come contract time they demand more money.** ---
**Author:** ![Zer0DazE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zer0daze/32/7624_2.png) [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/29 "2006-09-21T05:51:14Z")
^ werd i was slacking off a couple weeks back (its ok, im not a union worker) and was having lunch at a local watering hole… anywho, there were 2 scumbags sitting a few seats away bragging about how they were pulling a fast one, and getting payed to suck down gennys while they were supposed to be on the line. these are the same people that cash their paychecks at the bar… they’re a real class act. ---
**Author:** ![Jon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3bc359/32.png) [@Jon](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Jon)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/30 "2006-09-21T06:03:15Z")
Some of GM’s crate engines are made in mexico too. lol Mexican Muscle :lol: ---
**Author:** ![JaysGreenLX](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jaysgreenlx/32/7321_2.png) [@JaysGreenLX](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JaysGreenLX)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/31 "2006-09-21T06:42:14Z")
> [@LAFENGAS](#): > > **I’m telling you, it all boiles down to the greedy,lazy unions. And i don’t feel bad for them one bit. They (90% of them) do as little work possible throughout the day, the union backs them up, and come contract time they demand more money.** Absolutely. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Stevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dr.Stevil](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Dr.Stevil)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/32 "2006-09-21T07:05:54Z")
Ya know though… being in the industry, some people have no clue as to how many parts of their all american/german/japanese/ect cars are made in mexico/korea/china/and so on. Even if it was “made” in [insert said country], probably 70% of it’s components were made else where Speaking of which… after re-desining/reverse engineering a Korean “part” we’ve been working on… I’d never buy anything from them. As a safty and duribility standard, we use a minimum of 3.5-4mm wall thickness, especially in high pressure areas… on the production korean part, I found areas as thin as .9 mm :eek: oh, and I agree with josh 100%… unions are useless this day and age and are only fucking themselfs and the rest of us/the industry. You can’t expect a full pension, plus full benefits and 60K a year doing blue collar labor with only a HS diploma (if that) ---
**Author:** ![Skurge](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/skurge/32/7285_2.png) [@Skurge](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Skurge)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/33 "2006-09-21T07:08:27Z")
> [@BaD AZz Z/28](#): > > its been gone over before, and american companies still provide more parts, more jobs, and more money from the US and back into the US than any import manufacturer. Keep the make believe to yourself and follow the money. Sucks if our jobs go elsewhere but they are still the best of whats left. all i stated that the toyotas have more american MADE parts in them than the GM/fords do its not hard to figure out, just look at the certificat of origin on each new car, they all have them by law GM might have more jobs here, but they outsource to other contries more than toyota does 😛 while toyota is opening up new plants in the US and creating more jobs here, paying more AMERICANS to build their cars, GM is cutting tons of jobs and outsourcing even more way to back the company that is screwing the country ---
**Author:** ![drvnkd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/drvnkd/32/109615_2.png) [@drvnkd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/drvnkd)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/34 "2006-09-21T07:20:06Z")
only the govt can stop the outsorcing trend… its the american way… decrease cost, increase margin. i was in the engine plant last week, and they have come a long way in the past few years. the new HV V6 line is mostly automated, all people are for it to bolt up parts that have been shipped in from mexico. they can now trace the major components back to the day it was machined, assembled, and even settings on the machines. american car companies can build cars at comparable costs to the foreigners except for the baggage, over head and red tape. ---
**Author:** ![Bigairskier1580](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bigairskier1580/32/7612_2.png) [@Bigairskier1580](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Bigairskier1580)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/35 "2006-09-21T07:27:18Z")
> [@Dr.Stevil](#): > > oh, and I agree with josh 100%… unions are useless this day and age and are only fucking themselfs and the rest of us/the industry. You can’t expect a full pension, plus full benefits and 60K a year doing blue collar labor with only a HS diploma (if that) :word: Thus is why they are having to lay people off left and right, and outsource as much as they do. ---
**Author:** ![LAFENGAS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/lafengas/32/7573_2.png) [@LAFENGAS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LAFENGAS)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/36 "2006-09-21T08:17:50Z")
Don’t feel bad either when they[UAW union workers] get ‘laid off’, they still get 95% of their pay from NYS unemployment + Union compensation (why they have union dues). When NYS unemployment runs out after 6 months, the union then pays the full 95% pay. When i was working at AAM, some people had been laid off for over 2 years, making $50K+ a year while fishing. You’re crazy if you don’t think all this money gets put into your new vehicle invoice. on the flip side of that… to stay competative, GM must find ways to cut costs which ultimately comes down to reducing product quality, including engineering. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/37 "2006-09-21T09:05:14Z")
word to lafengas. ---
**Author:** ![AKUMA\_TO\_TENSHI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AKUMA\_TO\_TENSHI](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/AKUMA_TO_TENSHI)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/38 "2006-09-21T09:13:28Z")
Some how this does not suprise me. ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/39 "2006-09-21T09:45:54Z")
> [@traumadog](#): > > Makes me wonder how many American Toyota plants have UAW presence (only one, in California as I recall). And outside the Camry, Matrix, Sienna and Tundra, the remainder are still mostly made abroad (I think only one Lexus-branded vehicle is made outside Japan). Go figure. > > Besides, Toyota’s been in the US for maybe 20 years, and has perhaps one or two thousand retirees (at most?). GM alone has over half a million that it’s covering for pensions, etc. I’d say that’s a pretty big handicap (IIRC, over $1400 in every new GM car goes to these “legacy” costs…) Just to revise my comments: 1. Toyota has only 258 retirees from its North American facilities. 2. if GM had Toyota’s cost structure, that would equate to enough money for five new models _ **per year**._ [http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/21/news/companies/toyota\_outlook/index.htm?postversion=2006092107](http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/21/news/companies/toyota_outlook/index.htm?postversion=2006092107) Now just imagine how many jobs that extra model turnover would create (or keep) in the US - even with the ballyhooed “outsourcing”. So you could argue that the unions are counterproductive on a level - driving jobs out of the country. ---
**Author:** ![traumadog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@traumadog](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/traumadog)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2006, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766/40 "2006-09-21T09:52:06Z")
> [@Skurge](#): > > GM might have more jobs here, but they outsource to other contries more than toyota does 😛 > > …way to back the company that is screwing the country Last I checked - GM had recently reduced by buyouts _more_ hourly employees than Toyota currently employs in all of North America… GM - 35,000 buyouts (4,600 outright buyouts, 30,400 retirees) of 113,000 employees Toyota - ~30,000 NA employees [http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/26/business/main1749888.shtml](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/26/business/main1749888.shtml) [http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/21/news/companies/toyota\_outlook/index.htm?postversion=2006092107](http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/21/news/companies/toyota_outlook/index.htm?postversion=2006092107) So, _obviously,_ Toyota’s doing _way_ more for the US economy than that nasty outsourcing GM… [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/stupid-gm-and-mexico/17766.md?page=3)