# Subaru RWD coupe will be sold worldwide **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [May 28, 2008, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159 "2008-05-28T11:23:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![LZ1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@LZ1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/LZ1)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 4:10am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/41 "2008-05-29T04:10:40Z")
“Slated for a late 2011 debut, the coupes are expected to be priced starting just under $20,000.” I highly doubt in 2011 this car will come out under 20k ---
**Author:** ![91MR2](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/91mr2/32/7217_2.png) [@91MR2](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/91MR2)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/42 "2008-05-29T04:34:05Z")
> [@LZ](#): > > “Slated for a late 2011 debut, the coupes are expected to be priced starting just under $20,000.” > > I highly doubt in 2011 this car will come out under 20k Maybe not, but if it’s really close to 20K, and not much in the market changes, I’ll say this will still be a good buy. ---
**Author:** ![Rsnake91](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/rsnake91/32/4996_2.png) [@Rsnake91](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Rsnake91)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 4:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/43 "2008-05-29T04:40:13Z")
hot car. id def. buy it. ---
**Author:** ![Zer0DazE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/zer0daze/32/7624_2.png) [@Zer0DazE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Zer0DazE)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/44 "2008-05-29T05:13:23Z")
> [@boardjnky4](#): > > sounds like an s2000 competitor for 10k less. > > no brainer eh? thats exactly what it is. the haters in this thread are amazing. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/45 "2008-05-29T05:25:10Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > Do a search. How many times have I said I wanted to make a RWD WRX and dump all the un-needed weight and driveline loss of the AWD system? Not just disconnect the front driveshafts, but a true RWD with none of the extra hardware. > > I can think of at least 4 threads. 🙂 > > Anyway, so glad to see them decide to do it. Cheaper, lighter, better weight distribution, less parasitic driveline loss, less likely to understeer, less complex to maintain… the list goes on and on. Can’t wait to see these when they get to dealerships. Having recently disassembled a subaru transmission… I really can’t see it saving much more than 100bs (true… some of that is rotational weight, so it makes a bit more of a difference). A WRX tranny weighs less than a 300zx transmission. And that includes the transfer shaft and front diff. The only other weight comes from front axles (not too heavy) and a probably slightly bigger front knuckle. Yeah, there is some frictional/inertial losses that you can save (rotating weight), but it would be actually really easy to gut a WRX/STi transmission to make it true RWD, save for _slight_ (and i mean ~25lbs) extra weight of the front and center differential cases. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 5:41am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/46 "2008-05-29T05:41:41Z")
> [@newman](#): > > Having recently disassembled a subaru transmission… I really can’t see it saving much more than 100bs (true… some of that is rotational weight, so it makes a bit more of a difference). A WRX tranny weighs less than a 300zx transmission. And that includes the transfer shaft and front diff. The only other weight comes from front axles (not too heavy) and a probably slightly bigger front knuckle. > > Yeah, there is some frictional/inertial losses that you can save (rotating weight), but it would be actually really easy to gut a WRX/STi transmission to make it true RWD, save for _slight_ (and i mean ~25lbs) extra weight of the front and center differential cases. 100 lbs here, 25 lbs there, some frictional loss here… it adds up, especially in a 220ish HP car like this vs the WRX. It also really adds up because it’s 125 lbs coming off the front of the car, which in an AWD car is often causing the horrible weight balance. I’m guessing more than 25lbs from the front end too. Simple bearing supported front wheels vs driveshafts, stronger hubs, CV’s and heavier suspension bits to support the extra weight/torque. I don’t see this as an S2k competitor though. To me this is the ultimate upgrade for all the FWD econocar tuners out there, as well as a great alternative to the “pre-tuned” econocars like the Civic Si, Cobalt SS and Neon SRT4. These kids have realized as the power goes up there are severe limits to the driveability of FWD. With a nice little RWD car as the power goes up the car doesn’t turn into some highway pull only drag car. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 5:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/47 "2008-05-29T05:45:22Z")
> [@JayS](#): > > 100 lbs here, 25 lbs there, some frictional loss here… for clarity, frictional loss usually pales in comparison to inertial loads. It’s really not a lot of weight… i’m telling you… ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/48 "2008-05-29T05:51:41Z")
Newman is right. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/49 "2008-05-29T06:04:11Z")
> [@newman](#): > > for clarity, frictional loss usually pales in comparison to inertial loads. > > It’s really not a lot of weight… i’m telling you… Frictional loss may be minimal fine, but you can’t tell me taking 125lbs off the front of the car, which in a WRX is front heavy, isn’t going to help the handling. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/50 "2008-05-29T06:14:00Z")
i’m not saying it wont help. but your initial post hints that removing an incredibly light and (by comparison to other systems) simple AWD system will make a HUGE difference in the car. However I DO think the car will handle better because it no longer has AWD, and not because of any reason that you’ve thought of. It has less to do with the AWD system and it’s components, but actually the geometry of the Subaru AWD system. Removing the AWD system from the car allows you to relocate the engine EASILY 6" aft. Maybe more. The Subaru front axles and dif are located to the rear of the engine. By removing this constraint from the design, you can effectively move the engine towards the COG significantly. ---
**Author:** ![Carnut](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/carnut/32/7590_2.png) [@Carnut](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Carnut)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/51 "2008-05-29T06:20:33Z")
convulsions. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/52 "2008-05-29T06:21:03Z")
> [@Carnut](#): > > convulsions. lol. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:28am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/53 "2008-05-29T06:28:07Z")
> [@Avatar](#): > > kinda neat… I don’t see this as new or exciting though I’ll say it again. It’s a cheap rwd Japanese-made sports car. Not new or exciting (to me). Just because they have been effectively absent in the US since CAFE in the mid 70’s doesn’t signal this as innovative. It’s also already been mentioned that this is a move to capture some of the spotlight away from the Hyundai Genesis; which will have a rwd drive-train and a claimed **300hp**. It’s also ugly to boot. Pass :grouphug: ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:34am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/54 "2008-05-29T06:34:46Z")
It’s more than $5k less than the 300hp Genesis. 5k gives them plenty of money room to offer an “STi” version with 300 or more HP. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/55 "2008-05-29T06:38:56Z")
Given the present state of the currency market, I would hesitate to claim MSRP with any reliability. Especially 2-3+ years out. We’ll see. I’m not saying you couldn’t be right. I’m just not up for all the leg-humping just yet. ---
**Author:** ![JayS](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jays/32/15375_2.png) [@JayS](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JayS)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/56 "2008-05-29T06:42:19Z")
I’d be willing to bet the US dollar will be worth more in 2011 than it is today with our interest rates at record lows. I don’t think it’s much of a gamble for them to claim an under 20k price. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/avatar/32/5076_2.png) [@Avatar](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Avatar)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/57 "2008-05-29T06:56:32Z")
Bold statement 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Slopoke](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/slopoke/32/7248_2.png) [@Slopoke](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Slopoke)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/58 "2008-05-29T08:53:26Z")
> [@Anonymity"](#): > Similiar??? if you switched front clips the car would be exactly the same, the car is identical front the doors back, even the damn mirrors are the same!!! :tdwon: ---
**Author:** ![MaximaSE98](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/maximase98/32/7600_2.png) [@MaximaSE98](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/MaximaSE98)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/59 "2008-05-29T09:14:57Z")
altima Fwd…this guy is saving for 2011 to buy his new subaru ---
**Author:** ![RedrRocket](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/redrrocket/32/7193_2.png) [@RedrRocket](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/RedrRocket)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2008, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159/60 "2008-05-29T13:00:44Z")
> [@MaximaSE98](#): > > altima Fwd…this guy is saving for 2011 to buy his new subaru also ultima is ugly as sin. that subie/toy front end looks baddass. toyotas and subarus have always shared a close resemblance to each other. i agree with moving the motor back 6" would help with a 50/50 weight distribution. the same way a rx-7’s motor was MID-front. High reving 2 litre boxer coupe would rule. the tricky part is keeping the car cheap & light. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/subaru-rwd-coupe-will-be-sold-worldwide/49159.md?page=4)