# Suicide, selfish or selfless? **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Off Topic\ **Created:** [October 3, 2010, 6:33am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067 "2010-10-03T06:33:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/41 "2010-10-03T15:32:29Z")
This thread wasn’t made to shit up that kid’s memory. It was made so that we didn’t shit up that kid’s thread. Let’s talk about condolences in THAT thread, let’s talk about our opinions on suicide in general…HERE. Not a dick move. Also, there’s a big debate over mental illness and if it can be medically proven/diagnosed. Depression falls under this category. What’s the difference between a sad person and someone who is suffering from depression, it’s a blurry line. 91cny or w/e can come in here preaching the choir about blah blah statistics and his biased opinions, but there’s always two sides to each argument. ---
**Author:** ![9c1ny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9c1ny/32/5050_2.png) [@9c1ny](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9c1ny)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/42 "2010-10-03T15:37:59Z")
> [@Motocrossx23](#): > > This thread wasn’t made to shit up that kid’s memory. It was made so that we didn’t shit up that kid’s thread. > > Let’s talk about condolences in THAT thread, let’s talk about our opinions on suicide in general…HERE. > > Not a dick move. > > Also, there’s a big debate over mental illness and if it can be medically proven/diagnosed. Depression falls under this category. What’s the difference between a sad person and someone who is suffering from depression, it’s a blurry line. > > 91cny or w/e can come in here preaching the choir about blah blah statistics and his biased opinions, but there’s always two sides to each argument. yeah your right man, it was classy of you to make a seperate thread about it to express your opinion about how mental illness is bullshit glad you didnt "jack " the notice of his death I didnt know the kid personally or his circumstances but if it were my friend or family member I would break your fucking jaw / thread ---
**Author:** ![beautfldsastr427](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/beautfldsastr427/32/7413_2.png) [@beautfldsastr427](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/beautfldsastr427)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/43 "2010-10-03T15:38:34Z")
> [@Motocrossx23](#): > > Also, there’s a big debate over mental illness and if it can be medically proven/diagnosed. Depression falls under this category. What’s the difference between a sad person and someone who is suffering from depression, it’s a blurry line. Not trying to keep going with this, but what’s the difference between this and lung cancer? People die from lung cancer that don’t smoke, and some people that smoke like crazy don’t die from lung cancer. Has this issue been "solved’ scientifically? No. The same can be said for depression. Some people’s brain hormones (seratonin, norepinephirne, etc.) don’t function properly, but it doesn’t affect each person exactly the same. ---
**Author:** ![Quattro\_Krant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/ac91a4/32.png) [@Quattro\_Krant](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quattro_Krant)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/44 "2010-10-03T15:43:58Z")
I wish more people would off themselves ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/45 "2010-10-03T15:44:27Z")
> [@9c1ny](#): > > yeah your right man, it was classy of you to make a seperate thread about it to express your opinion about how mental illness is bullshit > > glad you didnt "jack " the notice of his death > > I didnt know the kid personally or his circumstances but if it were my friend or family member I would break your fucking jaw / thread Oh c’mon now, get off your fucking high horse. You’re not going to get into bed with me, I don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![9c1ny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9c1ny/32/5050_2.png) [@9c1ny](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9c1ny)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/46 "2010-10-03T15:49:19Z")
> [@Motocrossx23](#): > > Oh c’mon now, get off your fucking high horse. You’re not going to get into bed with me, I don’t care. I stand by my comments even if I take a ban over it Letting idiots like you perpetuate mental illness as a myth or crutch for self pity is as wreckless as blaming a rape victim Theres too much misinformation and misunderstanding of mental illness in the world we dont need more of it, opinion or not. What if that Devon kids friends or family reads this shit? Dont you have the smallest bit of tact to not post it within 24 hours of his circumstances coming to light??? ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/47 "2010-10-03T15:59:44Z")
I highly doubt they are going to come onto NYSpeed to read a thread on suicide. What if I would’ve posted this 3 weeks from now? Or how bout 3 weeks before. This isn’t about him. ---
**Author:** ![9c1ny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9c1ny/32/5050_2.png) [@9c1ny](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9c1ny)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/48 "2010-10-03T16:01:37Z")
> [@Motocrossx23](#): > > This isn’t about him. post 1 , sentence 1 “Didn’t want to thread jack the thread dedicated to our former member, so instead I’ll start this one” regardless , I am out on this issue ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/49 "2010-10-03T16:05:38Z")
Cuz I wasn’t going to voice my opinion and ask other members for theirs in his thread, you imbecile. ---
**Author:** ![9c1ny](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/9c1ny/32/5050_2.png) [@9c1ny](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/9c1ny)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/50 "2010-10-03T16:07:41Z")
> [@Motocrossx23](#): > > Cuz I wasn’t going to voice my opinion and ask other members for theirs in his thread, you imbecile. :fail: ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/51 "2010-10-03T16:20:53Z")
Yes, :picard: I’m out on this too, lock em up boys. ---------- Post added at 07:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:20 PM ---------- Holy shit, when did we get picard back??? ---
**Author:** ![Quattro\_Krant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/ac91a4/32.png) [@Quattro\_Krant](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Quattro_Krant)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/52 "2010-10-03T16:33:38Z")
Honestly, WHO GIVES A FUCK??? Go ahead and fucking off yourself. Just don’t be one of those pussy stains who shoots up a mall or an office building and then turns the gun on themselves. Just fucking take yourself out in a way that it will not affect me in any way, don’t cause a traffic jam making me late, don’t be a pussy and climb out on a ledge only to get talked back in. just fucking off yourself if you want. And yes, an old friend of mine hanged himself, oh fucking well. ---
**Author:** ![L8APEX1](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/l8apex1/32/7276_2.png) [@L8APEX1](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/L8APEX1)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/53 "2010-10-03T16:54:18Z")
> [@9c1ny](#): > > I didnt know the kid personally or his circumstances but if it were my friend or family member I would break your fucking jaw / thread :tup: ---
**Author:** ![JDMSIR](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/jdmsir/32/7376_2.png) [@JDMSIR](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/JDMSIR)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/54 "2010-10-03T17:35:30Z")
I have always said it was selfish as fuck, I just dont get it. If it were me I would just leave everything behind, move to some beach and start surfing or something. Start a new life where know one knows you. I really creeps me out the thought of killing yourself, it reminds me of that movie what dreams may come. ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/55 "2010-10-03T17:44:56Z")
I appreciate life way too much to comprehend what goes through someones mind when they decide that today is going to be their last day alive. I guess that’s something you gotta experience to understand though. ---
**Author:** ![TradersBASE](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/tradersbase/32/5321_2.png) [@TradersBASE](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/TradersBASE)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/56 "2010-10-03T18:35:50Z")
SELFISH! They stick others with their pain because they couldn’t man up. UNLESS there is a chemical imbalance, which I believe is less common than some suspect though. I have the same objection to anti-depressants. I believe maybe 2 out of 10 people on them don’t have a legit chemical imbalance. JMHO ---
**Author:** ![PhoeNixGold\_284](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@PhoeNixGold\_284](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/PhoeNixGold_284)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2010, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/57 "2010-10-03T23:43:39Z")
“There’s ways of killing yourself without killing yourself” - This means drinking, smoking, doing drugs, other self destructive behaviors, etc… People deal with problems many ways. So what if he decided to do it quicker than the people who slowly kill themselves everyday? I’m assuming not many people would even know/care if he still was alive today? The mind can be overwhelming at times, or overwhelming all the time. Noone here can honestly say they know how the kid felt, how he was treated, or his personal expierences. His mind was still developing and probably thought there was nothing to look forward to. Most of his life hasn’t been peachy as others are. I’ve went to highschool with him and would see him come into my work regularly. I will say he was very different (I’m not going to bash the deceased) and know he was picked on, highschool, here, outside school, and probably at home. So it’s a combination of family (assuming), drug, social, and mental problems that all come into play when making his decision to commit suicide. Who knows what he’s been through physically and mentally. Human instinct is to take the path of least resistance, suicide in his mind was the best option. So if your going to say suicide is selfish…might as well say almost every choice made is selfish. No many people in this world are selfless anyways. Honestly think about how many selfish acts you’ve made compared to selfless ones (that you don’t mentally or monetary gain from). Wish I knew the kid better or didn’t treat him any different than other “normal” people, but I can honestly say that I probably wouldn’t if he was still alive today, and neither would anyone else. If he’s been shit on his whole life, f\*ck them, his choice. RIP Devon ---
**Author:** ![97FormulaWS-6](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/97formulaws-6/32/7384_2.png) [@97FormulaWS-6](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/97FormulaWS-6)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/58 "2010-10-04T05:43:34Z")
Wow… From viewing the responses here it’s pretty obvious that no one here has been at that point in their life. You can all sit on your high horse and say it’s selfish, hurtful, etc; but until you to be cliche “walk a mile in their shoes” or in more like in their head, you have no clue what it’s like. It’s like asking a Jersey Shore kid what it’s like getting up at 5am to milk cows on a farm. When someone is suicidal, their thoughts are sooo messed up, and the views on the world are twisted that they view the world as being better off without them; the people in their life would be better off without them around. They see no other way out of whatever has them at that point, and view the ONLY way out is to end it. You guys/girls can stand tall and say that it’s selfish, and hurts the families (Which I can’t argue that it does leave a wake of a mess normally); but until you’ve been there in that place where the only way out is death, you’ll never fully understand. \<-- Someone who died by their own hand 12 years ago… was found and revived at the ER. You can talk shit all you want, and judge me from that little bit all you want… but unless you personally know me and know my childhood then STFU about weak-minded, selfish, etc. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/59 "2010-10-04T06:36:10Z")
I think it’s really sad when anyone takes their own life. I don’t think it’s selfish or selfless. I think it just sucks. ---
**Author:** ![bracketracer](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/bracketracer/32/15592_2.png) [@bracketracer](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/bracketracer)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2010, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067/60 "2010-10-04T06:38:31Z")
Last 3 posts, very well-spoken. Thanks guys. It does suck, and nobody on the outside has a clue. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/suicide-selfish-or-selfless/161067.md?page=4)