# Surprised nobody posted this: RIP 3 motorcyclists crash on Upper Mountain Road **URL:** \ **Category:** NYSpeed Automotive\ **Created:** [August 24, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838 "2011-08-24T18:55:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Freek](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/freek/32/7357_2.png) [@Freek](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Freek)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/41 "2011-08-25T11:07:50Z")
> [@Beck](#): > > Is it any coincidence that 97.9% of accidents that involve motorcycles are a direct result of said motorcyclist doing something stupid and/or wreckless? I don’t understand why a grown man with probably nothing to hide would run from the cops. I guess this is just nature’s way. > > With that said, condolences to the family. By that same logic people who get rear ended are at fault because they were in the way of the person behind them. Because they were to stupid/ RECKLESS for not paying attention. I’m not saying you’re completely wrong at all but, just a bit skewed. I’ve had more close calls and run ins with so many people texting while driving, not paying attention, eating, smoking, drunk, thuggish kids in POS cars trying to race me, etc, etc. Out of all the close calls I’ve had 97.9% have been from shitty drivers. With all of that being said… Any good normal rider has no reason to run from the police. I’ve been pulled over on my bike before and because I’m a normal enough looking guy with his license, full insurance, a valid inspection, and full riding gear I don’t get hassled by the police. We’ve talked this topic to death this season. The short of it : There are tons of stupid people out there (driving). Put them behind something that requires training and good fast decisions and they’ll fail. A high performance bike is just easier to obtain than a high performance car. The bike is also less forgiving in an accident. ---
**Author:** ![1QIKZ](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/1qikz/32/6112_2.png) [@1QIKZ](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/1QIKZ)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/42 "2011-08-25T11:44:58Z")
> [@Birdman64](#): > > Good people make poor decisions sometimes, he was a good dude I knew him from back in highschool. > > RIP Life is 90% about the decisions we make, and which ones are more important. Bad decision. ---
**Author:** ![Gus](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/gus/32/5112_2.png) [@Gus](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Gus)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/43 "2011-08-25T11:52:11Z")
At least MotoX is okay. ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/44 "2011-08-25T11:56:22Z")
Yeah, cuz I’m way cooler in person! ---
**Author:** ![Mike93](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike93/32/7325_2.png) [@Mike93](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike93)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/45 "2011-08-25T12:00:36Z")
My biggest issue with stories like these is how closely their dumbass actions could have easily affected anyone else that should have been in their path. These guys wiped out around a corner…a corner that could have had oncoming traffic…with you or me meeting them head on. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/46 "2011-08-25T12:32:07Z")
> [@Motocrossx23](#): > > I was prepared for road work, back 1/2 mile when I saw the sign. I did not expect the gravel to be all over the road when we entered a blind corner. I have video and photos to prove it. By law it should have been maintained or else marked as a hazard. We weren’t speeding, messing around or anything…this was caused purely in part of negligence on NYS DOT’s part. > > 240 is a state road, so Colden is off the hook. The highway superintendent is acting as a liason for me in contacting the proper people. > > Been around the block enough to know how to read roads, I’m not saying I’m perfect but it’s hard to argue I was at fault when there is so much shit on the road you can run and slide from lane to lane with shoes on. I still disagree. You were driving the bike and there was no one around. I don’t see how anyone else could be at fault. 1. it’s a speed LIMIT, not recommended speed. You were going too fast for the conditions that you were unprepared for. 2. what if it was winter and the roads were clear and you were driving a car; as you round the corner blind, snow had blown into the road and you slid off the road… is that also the county’s fault? It’s their job to keep the roads clear… > I was prepared for road work, back 1/2 mile when I saw the sign. 1. there was a sign a half mile before that there was road work ahead???.. so what’s the problem? IDK, I just hate when other people try and place the blame on someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/47 "2011-08-25T12:44:03Z")
Not to be a dick, but I’m not arguing facts with you. I’m not looking to get rich, hell…I don’t even care about the damn bike. Plain and simply put it was an accident. I’m not perfect, I’m sure if I had gone through the corner at 5mph it would’ve been fine and dandy. But I didn’t, I went to the post speed limit, did everything correctly and you know what? Shit happens sometimes. There was no reason for that road, a known dangerous corner, to have the amount of gravel that it did on it. The road sign that was posted, if you were at the scene which you were not…was so far ahead of the corner that we assumed it had passed. Not untilwe entered the blind corner did we see three orange cones moved onto the grass, not blocking any portion of the road, just placed so that no one drove off the road. At 30mph, a blind corner, on two wheels…we had no warning at all. I’m done with this whole thing. I don’t even care that my bike is wrecked because this community isn’t the same it used to be anyways. I’m just angry that I crashed due to laziness and negligence on someone else’s behalf. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/48 "2011-08-25T12:55:19Z")
> [@Motocrossx23](#): > > it was an accident. > Shit happens sometimes. > known dangerous corner > we assumed . ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/49 "2011-08-25T13:06:11Z")
Yes, we get it. You’re the devils advocate and expert on everything. None of your input is going to sway how I approach this incident, Chris. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/50 "2011-08-25T13:16:59Z")
I’m not playing the devil’s advocate. I feel very strongly about taking responsibility for one’s own life. I don’t like suits like this because it just reinforces the idea that the public needs more protection, laws and government influence. To me, everything you have typed reads: “Government, you didn’t keep me safe from choices I made” ---
**Author:** ![donkeyballs69](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f6c823/32.png) [@donkeyballs69](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/donkeyballs69)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/51 "2011-08-25T13:18:31Z")
> [@Beck](#): > > Is it any coincidence that 97.9% of accidents that involve motorcycles are a direct result of said motorcyclist doing something stupid and/or wreckless? I don’t understand why a grown man with probably nothing to hide would run from the cops. I guess this is just nature’s way. > > With that said, condolences to the family. They just said on the news that they interviewed the guy that lived and they took off cause they had suspended license. It would of been a small fine but my condolences to the family. RIP ---
**Author:** ![Mike93](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mike93/32/7325_2.png) [@Mike93](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Mike93)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/52 "2011-08-25T13:22:30Z")
> [@Motocrossx23](#): > > Yes, we get it. You’re the devils advocate and expert on everything. None of your input is going to sway how I approach this incident, Chris. But his input would have allowed you to approach the corner and given you time to sway from said incident in the first place:) ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/53 "2011-08-25T13:26:58Z")
> [@Motocrossx23](#): > > Considering that corner is strewn with motorcycle parts and flowers of riders that died, yes. I think Kris and I did a pretty damn good job not dying. That’s not something you learn in a class. lol come on dude they teach not outriding your line of sight in class… Regardless I’m glad you got away with relatively minor injuries so you at least still have one good hand to hold a beer. ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/54 "2011-08-25T13:28:33Z")
Very true, I should’ve had my phone out prior to the accident. ---------- Post added at 04:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:27 PM ---------- > [@Fry](#): > > lol come on dude they teach not outriding your line of sight in class… > > Regardless I’m glad you got away with relatively minor injuries so you at least still have one good hand to hold a beer. Yeah it was a blind corner though, I looked as far ahead as possible. Eh, I’m over this anyways. It’s just a bike. ---
**Author:** ![Fry](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/fry/32/7284_2.png) [@Fry](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Fry)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/55 "2011-08-25T13:33:49Z")
> [@Motocrossx23](#): > > Yeah it was a blind corner though, I looked as far ahead as possible. Eh, I’m over this anyways. It’s just a bike. Yeah. No matter how careful you are sometimes shit happens. That’s the risk you take when you ride. 30 mph probably seemed plenty slow at the time. Sucks that now you’ve got a broken finger and a wrecked bike that says it wasn’t. Nothing a little jack won’t fix. Mmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/56 "2011-08-25T13:48:09Z")
^Exactly. One of those things that if you can’t laugh at it, smile and walk away. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/57 "2011-08-25T13:50:35Z")
But you’re not laughing and walking away… YOU’RE TRYING TO SUE SOMEONE. ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/58 "2011-08-25T14:00:11Z")
Yes, because NYS is an individual and is never at fault. Okay. ---
**Author:** ![newman](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/newman/32/7569_2.png) [@newman](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/newman)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/59 "2011-08-25T14:04:04Z")
Entitled to live in a protective plastic bubble I guess… ---
**Author:** ![Motocrossx23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/motocrossx23/32/5120_2.png) [@Motocrossx23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Motocrossx23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838/60 "2011-08-25T14:08:50Z")
Oh here we go with entitlement, let’s beat this horse to death again. [Previous page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/surprised-nobody-posted-this-rip-3-motorcyclists-crash-on-upper-mountain-road/215838.md?page=4)