# swaying suspension **URL:** \ **Category:** SON240sx Automotive\ **Created:** [December 9, 2006, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350 "2006-12-09T11:40:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![simplemind7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/0ea827/32.png) [@simplemind7](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/simplemind7)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2006, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/1 "2006-12-09T11:40:13Z")
hey, i just started driving my '90 hatchback, base model sohc automatic. when i hit large bumps it feels like the front sways side to side, this sometimes happens when i’m braking too. it also pulls to the left sometimes while driving, but not all the time. so something is loose as hell in the front end, is this a common thing and if it is, what is most likely causing this? i’m going to have a look at it this weekend and i’d like a good starting point to look for. thanks, brendan. ---
**Author:** ![alesserfate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f6c823/32.png) [@alesserfate](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/alesserfate)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2006, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/2 "2006-12-09T11:45:13Z")
hey whats up there could be a few things causing this the swaing can be caused by snapped front stabilizer bar end links, called the stabilizer links also the tension control bushings that are worn out, main balljoint, steering rod balljoints, and inner power steering rack balljoints can cause the swaying pulling to the left or rigth can be cause by seizing calipers or bad tire pressure as well as any of the things mentioned above make a list and take it to the shop, so much easier to check with a hoist good luck, dont give up. ---
**Author:** ![tosh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/58956e/32.png) [@tosh](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/tosh)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2006, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/3 "2006-12-09T14:27:45Z")
also check your tires and also your toe control rods, they like to leak. peace ---
**Author:** ![simplemind7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/0ea827/32.png) [@simplemind7](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/simplemind7)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2006, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/4 "2006-12-09T23:56:22Z")
yeah i had a look at it today and its definately the tie rod ends, the drivers side is disgustingly loose, i’m going to pick them up tomorrow and get them in so i don’t have to fear the snow drifts anymore, haha. new tie rod ends will definately help, after i put those in i’ll see how it feels and if theres still some slop. ---
**Author:** ![Theo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Theo23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/Theo23)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/5 "2006-12-10T10:20:11Z")
I had the same problem on my s13 coupe. The lower ball joints were toast, completely. Much better after I replaced them. Check them by jacking the car up so the wheel is off the ground, then grab the bottom of the tire and wiggle it in and out. If it moves, that is usually a good indication of the ball joints being worn. Good luck and keep us posted on the tie rods. Theo ---
**Author:** ![simplemind7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/0ea827/32.png) [@simplemind7](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/simplemind7)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2006, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/6 "2006-12-11T11:18:21Z")
yeah i checked them all when i was swapping the wheels and it felt like just the tie rod ends. i may be replacing them tonight, if not then i will be tomorrow, i’ve got them sitting in the back of the car. ---
**Author:** ![simplemind7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/0ea827/32.png) [@simplemind7](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/simplemind7)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2006, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/7 "2006-12-14T19:33:35Z")
i replaced the tie rod ends a couple days ago and now that they aren’t moving around i can tell what the real problem was, the drivers side wheel bearing is done so it pulls a bit to the right when i’m driving then when i’m braking it pulls hard to the left as the wheel flops and starts pointing in the other direction! haha. thats safe… so i’ll be replacing it once the part comes in. does anyone know of a write up on how to replace a front wheel bearing? i had a look around and couldn’t find anything, i can do it without one but its always faster if you know exactly what you’re doing. thanks. ---
**Author:** ![S13GG](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/s13gg/32/5506_2.png) [@S13GG](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/S13GG)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2006, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/8 "2006-12-15T08:29:38Z")
wheel bearing replacment must be in the FSM; [http://www.son240sx.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13504](http://www.son240sx.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13504) ---
**Author:** ![simplemind7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/0ea827/32.png) [@simplemind7](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/simplemind7)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2007, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/9 "2007-01-01T12:54:22Z")
update time, i’ve replaced: outer tie rod ends drivers side wheel bearing drivers side ball joint the first problem is fixed completely, but i’ve still got the other problem, now that its tighter i can describe it better. normally the car pulls slightly to the right, but if i give the brakes a medium amount of force or turn left hard (like turning onto a street, a bend in the road won’t do it) something will make a ‘clunk’ noise and the car will pull hard to the left and stay there. if i swerve to the right quickly, hit a medium sized bump in the road or turn right onto another street it will ‘clunk’ again and go back to a slight right pull. sometimes i can slightly feel the clunk if i have my foot on the dead pedal. i can think of two things that might be causing it, but i’ll keep them to myself for now and see what you guys think it might be. thanks. ---
**Author:** ![shlammed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/779978/32.png) [@shlammed](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/shlammed)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2007, 6:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/10 "2007-01-02T06:11:38Z")
my car had a clunk when it turned and then i swapped out the stock front shock with the unit on my parts car. The top hats were seized and they wouldnt turn so the spring would “jump” out of the groove…you can add this to the list of things to check. i could also feel the clunk from this -Matt ---
**Author:** ![mr200](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mr200/32/5495_2.png) [@mr200](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mr200)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2007, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/11 "2007-01-02T09:00:43Z")
Ok, welcome to S13 ownership 😉 Dollars to donuts it’s ball joint(s). That sounds about right. They’ll get worse and start changing lanes for you. Scary. Check your upper bearing plates too. If the rubber separates, it can make an awful clunk, and can wander around, but your problem sounds 100% to me like balljoints ---
**Author:** ![simplemind7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/0ea827/32.png) [@simplemind7](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/simplemind7)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2007, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/12 "2007-01-02T09:11:01Z")
alright, i replaced the drivers side one a couple days ago (it was really bad) but i didn’t notice any sort of difference, it still did it just as bad, but i’ll check the passenger side too. ---
**Author:** ![DarkForceJackal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b38774/32.png) [@DarkForceJackal](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/DarkForceJackal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/13 "2007-01-04T04:57:15Z")
Might want to double-check that the bolts holding your TC rods in place are tight (and I guess make sure the bushings aren’t mush/oozing lol, as aforementioned). I’ve had clunking before and tightening them made it all go away. Also, any chance your shocks are blown? Is that how it “feels”? Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![simplemind7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/0ea827/32.png) [@simplemind7](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/simplemind7)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/14 "2007-01-04T06:56:30Z")
nope, the suspension feels good. i was thinking either inner tie rod end or the steering rack. ---
**Author:** ![mr200](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/mr200/32/5495_2.png) [@mr200](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/mr200)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/15 "2007-01-04T08:32:17Z")
It could be the rack bushings, and what you’re actually feeling is the rack moving around. I didn’t see balljoint on your list of repairs. Could be sway bar end-links? Get the front of the car in the air and on stands and push/pull at the wheel and watch for in and out/ side to side movement. grab and move as much of the suspension and steering as you can, listening for the clunk. If you can, get someone to work the wheel back and forth while you watch the parts move. Watch for extra play in the rack, especially at lock. Like move the wheel all the way one way, then try and move it more. See if the rack budges. I hate chasing clunks ---
**Author:** ![simplemind7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/0ea827/32.png) [@simplemind7](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/simplemind7)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2007, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/16 "2007-01-04T11:26:26Z")
yeah i’ve had the front up in the air and looked around with a buddy, we couldn’t find the clunk or loose part, the wheels feel solid and so does the steering wheel when you turn it. whatever it is, it takes a good amount of force from the road to move it. ---
**Author:** ![logik23](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/logik23/32/5548_2.png) [@logik23](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/logik23)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/17 "2007-01-05T01:21:17Z")
Inner control arm bushing or TC road bushing can clunk and they won’t move by hand, u need a big ass pry bar. ---
**Author:** ![simplemind7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/0ea827/32.png) [@simplemind7](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/simplemind7)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2007, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/18 "2007-01-05T11:38:00Z")
i’ve got a nice 5 foot pry bar so i think i’ll have a look at them sometime then. ---
**Author:** ![big-byrd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex034/user_avatar/forums.speedlife.net/big-byrd/32/3192_2.png) [@big-byrd](https://forums.speedlife.net/u/big-byrd)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2007, 2:53am UTC](https://forums.speedlife.net/t/swaying-suspension/102350/19 "2007-01-07T02:53:03Z")
like mr200 said, ball joints. rack bushings only improve steering feel by making it “tighter” - imo, doesn’t really affect drivability. easy way to check - jack up the car. try to shake the wheel while it’s in the air while having a buddy checking to see what’s moving and where (normally should be tight). hit a bump in the road, hear a clunk, steering makes a 1/4 turn while pulling a bit to the side after almost putting you in another lane, and then tries to put you in the lane to the other side when it shifts back. that was my story. if your car is behaving like this, ball join, no doubt. trust me. i’ve changed tc rods, rack bushings, etc. just do the check i told you and you’ll see it for sure. good luck. easy fix.